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05-14-2005, 11:23 AM
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05-14-2005, 06:31 PM
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The Atomic bombs were dropped for several reasons: 1. The Invasion of Japan would be terribly expensive with regaurds to casulties and the length of the war. As much as 2 years of bloody battles were projected if the Invasion were to happen. 2. Time wise the invasion of Japan would allow Russia into the fray - NOT desired for the above reasons (the brutal occupation of captured lands). 3. Two bombs were dropped to Show the Japanese and the Russians that the first was not a fluke. 4. To show the Russians that the war and associated conquests was OVER. From what I've seen the Russians were at least Half of the reason for the use of the Atomic bombs. wmaxt | ||
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05-14-2005, 06:55 PM
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Also the fact that the Japanese airforce was outnumbered by the U.S. airforce didnt make their undoing any better ! | |
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05-14-2005, 11:50 PM
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05-15-2005, 09:48 AM
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  | It is hard to believe people haven't heard of the  ing Soviet acts late in the war. From the words of an East Prussian talking about her plight in 1944 "...it was our holocaust but no one cared."Russia, to this day, refuse to apologise for it's acts in Germany and East Europe.
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05-15-2005, 03:23 PM
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| "Russia, to this day, refuse to apologise for it's acts in Germany and East Europe." I can understand how Russians feel about this, and I can feel it is really hard for them, who lost over 20 millions people in that war, to be blamed for their undoing at same time.  I dont have any data or resources to back up my theory for this. But, I have found that there is a similarity between Russians and Japanese military system. They were both treated inhumanly by their superior, and the wartime propaganda about how their enemies were like contributed greatly to their reaction in battlefield. Chinese were seen as "pigs" by Japanese, who believed themselves as the children of gods. Once your oppoents become demonized, then there is no reason for you to treat them equally as human being. Russians were also treated badly by their officiers and retreat can only ended up being killed by your country men. Moreover, rumors as well as propaganda about the German cruelty toward the captured men and women intensified their hatred to the enemies. Once Chinese or German captial fell, Najing and Berlin, years of accumulation of brutality and madness exploded instantly, and victorious ones sought revenge on their powerless enemies in hoping to comfort their lost souls. |
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05-16-2005, 12:22 AM
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| By the way, a week ago, Tony Blair of Great Britain has warned Germany not to develop a victim cutlure. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050509/325/fiejb.html |
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05-16-2005, 07:09 PM
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| That schouldnīt be given by politics. There are even german (and of course japanese...)victims of ww2. No doubt. Wars are between nations but itīs almost everytimes the man and woman, who are the victims. However, the quality of crimes allowed by the german people (resp. their nazi government)and done by them is uncomparable to anything else in history and will never be forgetten. It is part of our cultural memory. And is treated in that way, also. There is no way to compare the crimes, this should let to a misleading way, this is a task to be made by a historical view.
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05-17-2005, 05:56 AM
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| I think the world as a whole was a victom of Hitlers views and what he did. The German people however do not wish to remove it from our history, it happened and it can not be forgoten. I was watching a good report on TV during the opening of the Holocaust monument in Berlin and they interviewed several teen agers and they all said, Germany is to blame for wat happened and it can not be forgoten. They also did say though that they (there generation) should not be to blame for it. I agree with them on this. Quote:
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05-17-2005, 09:16 AM
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| The Soviets were just as bad, sometimes worse than the Nazis. The only reason this isn't widely accepted is because even with post-war tensions, the Soviets helped us beat the Nazis. We have to show some gratitude. In reality it needed a harsher regime to defeat the Nazi regime. The Soviet Union slaughtered more than the Nazi one did.
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05-17-2005, 12:20 PM
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| Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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| I dont think the world will ever see something again like the way the Russians and the Germans treated one another. It is just sick. Both sides.
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05-18-2005, 12:25 PM
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| well we must hope it never happens, and only by learning about it can we prevent it again........
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05-18-2005, 01:53 PM
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 | Although I think inevitably it is bound to happen at some time in the future. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but it will happen. |
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05-18-2005, 03:17 PM
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| Rememer the Iran/Iraq War??? All those innocent civialians being gassed to death???? How about Angola??? THAT was bad by modern statistics..... And compared to WWII it was nothing.... Makes u truely realize how far the human race has come..... And we still have a hell of a long way to go....
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05-18-2005, 04:12 PM
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