 | Which WWII Axis nation produced most dangerous pilots?| Aviation Discuss Which WWII Axis nation produced most dangerous pilots? in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by Chiron
And revnege may also contributed to that outcome as Japan was responsible for the declaration of ... |
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05-14-2005, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiron And revnege may also contributed to that outcome as Japan was responsible for the declaration of hostility to the world peace. | I call it "payback with interest." 
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Possibly...
I know that the Japanese were not as disciplined in the air as the Germans were. They tended to fight individually and lacked tactical teamwork. Comments?!? | Yes; Right on !  | As a group (the Japanese did not use formations much) the lack of arial discipline was their undoing. The arial dsiscipline of the Allies allowed lesser planes like the F4F and P-40s beat them consistently.
The Atomic bombs were dropped for several reasons:
1. The Invasion of Japan would be terribly expensive with regaurds to casulties and the length of the war. As much as 2 years of bloody battles were projected if the Invasion were to happen.
2. Time wise the invasion of Japan would allow Russia into the fray - NOT desired for the above reasons (the brutal occupation of captured lands).
3. Two bombs were dropped to Show the Japanese and the Russians that the first was not a fluke.
4. To show the Russians that the war and associated conquests was OVER.
From what I've seen the Russians were at least Half of the reason for the use of the Atomic bombs.
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05-14-2005, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by wmaxt
As a group (the Japanese did not use formations much) the lack of arial discipline was their undoing. The arial dsiscipline of the Allies allowed lesser planes like the F4F and P-40s beat them consistently.
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Also the fact that the Japanese airforce was outnumbered by the U.S. airforce didnt make their undoing any better !
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Russia, to this day, refuse to apologise for it's acts in Germany and East Europe.
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05-15-2005, 03:23 PM
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| "Russia, to this day, refuse to apologise for it's acts in Germany and East Europe."
I can understand how Russians feel about this, and I can feel it is really hard for them, who lost over 20 millions people in that war, to be blamed for their undoing at same time. 
I dont have any data or resources to back up my theory for this. But, I have found that there is a similarity between Russians and Japanese military system.
They were both treated inhumanly by their superior, and the wartime propaganda about how their enemies were like contributed greatly to their reaction in battlefield. Chinese were seen as "pigs" by Japanese, who believed themselves as the children of gods. Once your oppoents become demonized, then there is no reason for you to treat them equally as human being.
Russians were also treated badly by their officiers and retreat can only ended up being killed by your country men. Moreover, rumors as well as propaganda about the German cruelty toward the captured men and women intensified their hatred to the enemies.
Once Chinese or German captial fell, Najing and Berlin, years of accumulation of brutality and madness exploded instantly, and victorious ones sought revenge on their powerless enemies in hoping to comfort their lost souls. | |
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| That schouldnīt be given by politics. There are even german (and of course japanese...)victims of ww2. No doubt. Wars are between nations but itīs almost everytimes the man and woman, who are the victims. However, the quality of crimes allowed by the german people (resp. their nazi government)and done by them is uncomparable to anything else in history and will never be forgetten. It is part of our cultural memory. And is treated in that way, also. There is no way to compare the crimes, this should let to a misleading way, this is a task to be made by a historical view.
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Originally Posted by plan_D It is hard to believe people haven't heard of the ing Soviet acts late in the war. From the words of an East Prussian talking about her plight in 1944 "...it was our holocaust but no one cared."
Russia, to this day, refuse to apologise for it's acts in Germany and East Europe. | My wifes grandmother was a victom of this. She was raped several times by Russian soldiers. She hates them still today and I can not blame her. She was only a little girl at the time.
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05-17-2005, 09:16 AM
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In reality it needed a harsher regime to defeat the Nazi regime. The Soviet Union slaughtered more than the Nazi one did.
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Country: | I dont think the world will ever see something again like the way the Russians and the Germans treated one another. It is just sick. Both sides.
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Country: | Rememer the Iran/Iraq War??? All those innocent civialians being gassed to death???? How about Angola???
THAT was bad by modern statistics..... And compared to WWII it was nothing....
Makes u truely realize how far the human race has come..... And we still have a hell of a long way to go....
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus Rememer the Iran/Iraq War??? All those innocent civialians being gassed to death???? How about Angola???
THAT was bad by modern statistics..... And compared to WWII it was nothing....
Makes u truely realize how far the human race has come..... And we still have a hell of a long way to go.... | You Said it! | |
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