Which WWIIcountry is in the frontier of the aerospace?

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by plan_D

I'm glad you're not going to try and get involved (for once), RG. You astound me how amazing you think you are and how easily you manage to irritate people. It's quite a talent you have, well done.

Could not have said it better myself. Well done.

Originally Posted by plan_D

Be patient, pest. I have to question an American friend of mine who informed me long ago. Surely you can wait like I did for your tank reply...which I never got.

RG_Lunatic is right here though. The only ones were the Rosenburgs and they were executed for being traitors and they were cought red handed and deserve what they got.

Originally Posted by RG_Lunatic

Sure, because we were the ones taking on the Russians

If you really think you are as naive as you seem to be, but I am not going to get started on this one, its just plain ignorant. But thats okay.

Originally Posted by RG_Lunatic

All you did was protect yourselves

Read above, same thing! And this goes back to the other thread about the whole "Ugly American". Yes RG this is one reason why Europe and most of the world does not like Americans because of Americans who think like you. It seems like you send most of them to Europe in the military and they just show there ass like you do.

Originally Posted by plan_D

You're full of bull s**t, RG. You think America saves the world. You think that only America can do anything. You probably salute the flag everytime you see it. Get insulted when one bad word about America is said.

Very true what you say there about RG......However, in defence of the United States, America does do a lot of saving. Look at the Tsunami relief, look at Earthquake just as examples and they do not ask for anything in return.

As for saluting the flag, I salute it every day and where one on my shoulder and I am quite proud of it.

Originally Posted by RG_Lunatic

do you make it your business to irritate people with you're simply mind bogoling ignorance??

Read way up top again please!

Originally Posted by RG_Lunatic

RG, that is a very one-sided view of the cold war. Europe was a very important part of the cold war strategy and were key to the prevention of the spread of communism.

Very well said. Besides I remember during the Cold War having to do evacuation drills for when the Soviets invaded Germany through the Fulda Gap. But hell no Soviets would have stepped foot on German soil because they were not going to take any of the brunt. Yeah Right!

Wow I am going to completely leave this one up to the other posters here because it is more fun to read what other people have to say and because I am tired of the whole RG_Lunatic thing.

[plan_D]

America did send aid to South-East Asia in relief of the Boxing Day Tsunami but as did all the European nations. In fact, America had sent less than Britain before the EU had a go. Not putting down the men and women out there on the ships having to put up with those wiener do-gooders who do it all for the cameras. When in reality it's the military that do all the work...bastards

Of course you do, but you're in the military.

[delcyros]

Plan_D and Adler, please be kind to RG, I don´t think he is ignoring the benefits of the allies. Actually I do suspect him liking to take positions, which others would usually give less opportunity. This is a hard matter to do (requiring a lot of knowledge) and it always generates some kind of interesting discussion. And even a good discussion alone is a worthy matter, since we all get additional informations. I am glad to see someone doing this! Just take this as a method to point out a subject from a very distant (and yes, quite often US-centric...) view.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by plan_D

America did send aid to South-East Asia in relief of the Boxing Day Tsunami but as did all the European nations. In fact, America had sent less than Britain before the EU had a go. Not putting down the men and women out there on the ships having to put up with those wiener do-gooders who do it all for the cameras. When in reality it's the military that do all the work...bastards

Of course you do, but you're in the military.

I am not taking away from what the other coutries did either, I am just saying that the US consistantly does this over and over.

Originally Posted by delcyros

Plan_D and Adler, please be kind to RG, I don´t think he is ignoring the benefits of the allies.

Dont worry I am not getting involved this time. It is getting old. I do think however that RG needs to think about how he words things sometimes because it really does make him look like an ass.

[the lancaster kicks ass]

please be kind to RG, I don´t think he is ignoring the benefits of the allies

i do, he is making out that everything america has done has not only been done as a favour to us, but that they've saved the world single handedly without any help, which is simply not true, there are 7 year olds that know more about this subject than RG it would seem, you say it needs extensive knowledge, which he is obviously lacking...........

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I have to agree with Lanc on this one.

Originally Posted by evangilder

Okay, now it makes sense. Yes, McCarthy created a panic atmosphere with his House Un-American Committee. Unfortunately, some people were unfairly targeted as a result and forever blackballed.

Forever? Ummm... this lasted a few years, then those targeted were, for the most part, un-blackballed. It is an unfortunate occurance in US history that this ever happened, but lets not make more of it than it was.

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Lunatic

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by RG_Lunatic

Forever? Ummm... this lasted a few years, then those targeted were, for the most part, un-blackballed. It is an unfortunate occurance in US history that this ever happened, but lets not make more of it than it was.

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Lunatic

Yea, but even though these folks were un-blackballed, they still paid a high price just for being accused as a communist. Its interesting though, one of McCarthy's good buddies was Joe Kennedy - That camp quickly distanced themselves when everyone realize the McCarthy was on a witch hunt.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by RG_Lunatic

Forever? Ummm... this lasted a few years, then those targeted were, for the most part, un-blackballed. It is an unfortunate occurance in US history that this ever happened, but lets not make more of it than it was.

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Lunatic

Unfortunatly though, once they were black listed, it is hard to get ready of the stereotypes.

[evangilder]

Yes, and once you have been labelled and blackballed from your iindustry, it is very difficult to get back in. You get labelled as a pariah or an outcast either way. Some of the people that were blackballed in Hollywood never worked in the industry again. So yes, some of them were permanently blackballed.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

This sort of thing happened though in just about every country at some point. Its sad but it happens.

[plan_D]

What is this, RG? Trying to hide the bad parts of US history? We can't let anyone else know that America has done wrong.

I'm not hiding anything at all Plan_D. Yes some people were unfairly "blackballed", mostly from Hollywood, in the mid 1950's. For some, this was the end of their careers, for others it was not. Being the fickle place that Hollywood is there is no telling how long their careers might have lasted anyway.

Lucille Ball's career was certainly ruined! And Sam Jaffe (Dr. Zorba on the "Ben Casey" TV series) never worked another day in Hollywood! Lee Grant (who later won two Oscars) was finished as an actress!

My point is that while it is true that most who were blacklisted did not return to Hollywood, for many it is questionable how long their careers might have lasted. Most of the persecuted were screenwriters, not actors/actresses. Most "Hollywood Ten" certainly never made a comeback under their own names, but at least 3 of them continued to work under pseudonyms almost without a hitch and when the time came that they could have chosen to use their own names they chose not to.

Finally, once again you shoold observe your own house before throwing stones. When it comes to this kind of behavior, our's may be made of balsa-wood and paper but your's is made of glass.

If you'd followed my past comments you'd know your comment is ludcrous. I have pointed to Diego Garcia to identify a point of relatively modern US and British shame. You seem to think I think the USA is perfect, I certainly do not. But when you start making these idiot statements about how the USA should have gotten into WWII earlier and was immoral for not having done so... well i draw the line there...

Anyway, I have a response to your (and others) comments comming... so I'll leave it at that for now....

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Lunatic

[plan_D]

I have said the America was immoral for getting into World War II late, when?

Glass is stronger than paper.

[DAVIDICUS]

Plan_D,

I'll get straight to the point (no pun intended). Do you now play or have you ever played Gaystation 2?