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11-19-2005, 10:26 AM
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#151 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country:  | The late model Stuka, the ones left in service, served a very specific niche, and filled it quite nicely....
This vid clip is the last thing many, MANY Russian tankers ever heard...
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11-19-2005, 11:17 AM
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#152 | | Senior Member
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| Les, I would agree with you on the niche role.
However, to be fair, for the years 1938-1940, it was a good airplane. After that, it had better fly when no enemy fighters were near by.
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11-19-2005, 12:20 PM
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#153 | | Minister of Whoopass
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However, to be fair, for the years 1938-1940, it was a good airplane. After that, it had better fly when no enemy fighters were near by.
| And I would agree 100% with that... Same thing could be said of the Il-2 Sturmovik, armour or no armour....
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11-19-2005, 12:25 PM
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| The speed in which aviation evolved in WW2 for all sides, when you ask a rhetorical question "the best plane in what role", you need to specify what year.
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11-19-2005, 12:41 PM
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#155 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | i thought we'd eliminated fighter-bombers from this thread on account of the fact they're not dedicated attack aircraft??
and nice video too les.......
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11-19-2005, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by plan_D The Spitfire F.XII was also a neat little performer down low, to put it lightly. Surely there were some earlier Fw-190s in service during 1944-1945? A-4s, A-5s, A-6s or even a few A-9s? | The Mk.XII was quite the low-level monster.... 
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11-19-2005, 09:38 PM
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#157 | | Senior Member
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| Ok, Im going for broke and saying the A20 Havoc was the best all around attack plane of WW2.
The Stuka, as usefull it might have been, didnt come to compare to the A20.
The B25 and A26 were more in the genre of Medium bombers.
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11-20-2005, 03:20 AM
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Country: | Oh, NAVAIR, I like you again... but I'm still drunk from last night...but the XIIs....lovely...and, yes, they were monsters down low.
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11-20-2005, 08:59 AM
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#159 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Gentlemen, if I may make a reminder, this is about FAVORITE attack Aircraft, not BEST...
The Ju-87G is my FAVORITE attack aircraft.... It is NOT the best....
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11-20-2005, 09:22 AM
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Country: | In my opinion, the Ju-87 was a great attack aircraft. Even in the odds of being shot down by fighters, it was a Tank's worst enemy.
I voted for the B-25 Mitchelle for my favorite. Which could carry a 75mm that could tear up anything!
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11-20-2005, 09:32 AM
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#161 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | My favorite attack plane would have to be the Hs-129. Yes it was very underpowered but you give it some DB's or some Jumos as someone else stated and she wuold have been awesome! I also really like the P-47 and the Fw-190F.
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11-20-2005, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus Gentlemen, if I may make a reminder, this is about FAVORITE attack Aircraft, not BEST...
The Ju-87G is my FAVORITE attack aircraft.... It is NOT the best.... | Exactly, if it was best I wouldnt have voted Hs-123...
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11-20-2005, 11:48 AM
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#163 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The Hs-123 was actually not a bad aircraft. It was just outclassed early in the war.
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11-20-2005, 11:56 AM
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#164 | | the old Sage
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Country: | just do not forget the 10th Pz staffeln of several SG's on the Ost front euipped with the Ju 87G-1 still operable and destroying Soviet armor, something the A-20 did not acheive or any other craft for that matter on a consistant basis. I still go back and refer the D-3 and D-5 varinats in the night skies giving Patton and the Allies so much teething troubles.
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11-20-2005, 12:27 PM
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#165 | | Senior Member
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| The stuka was an impressive aircraft indeed, but i think id much rather fly the Hs-123 in the attack role. It's engine noise alone sounded like a machine gun supposedly, and was enough to scatter polish and russian soldiers. With its two nose mounted light machine guns, mg17s, and iron bombs, cluster bombs or 20mm underwing guns was very effective. As late as 1943 there were calls to reinstate production. The Hs-129, i love that sinister looking thing. With big cannon mounted optionally, 20mm and machine guns in the nose, and that sinister, evil looking armoured fueslage. With some more powerful engines it could have been a superb aircraft, DB-605 or -603, or a jumo-222 would have turned a good, underpowered aircraft into potentially the most capable aircraft out there for the job at the time. | |
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