Need your help, please! - Aircraft of World War II

Susan · 08-31-2006, 11:08 PM

My son is doing his history fair project on the triumphs and tragedies of WWII aircraft. Do you have suggestions of where he can locate good resources?

Thanks in advance!

FLYBOYJ · 08-31-2006, 11:13 PM

Right here! Triumphs? Midway. Tragedies? Ploesti. Good luck!

evangilder · 08-31-2006, 11:40 PM

If you have an air museum or CAF chapter nearby, he can get a ton of good information.

loomaluftwaffe · 09-01-2006, 10:39 AM

wow, ur son is lucky that he can get help from his parents for his projects

triumphs? ty googling those words mentioned like Ploesti or Midway
or maybe even just type them in here, there is a search button somewhere

Susan · 09-01-2006, 02:50 PM

Thanks for your suggestions!

I'm pretty much an ogre parent with internet sites, so I told him I'd join the forum, but he has to do his own research

He's in 8th grade and he loves the subject of planes, especially of this era.

We are in North Florida, so I'm not sure if there are resources close to here. He is trying to decide whether to do an exhibit or a 10 minute documentary. We were worried about using footage - whether that would be costly or infringing on copywrites, etc.

ANy other thoughts or suggestions?

evangilder · 09-01-2006, 05:01 PM

Since it is for a school project, copyrights shouldn't be too much of an issue. The only CAF chapter in Florida is in Deland, I have no idea where that is in association with where you are. There is also one in Atlanta Georgia. If he is looking to do an exhibit, feel free to use any of the iamges from my website. If there are specific aircraft he is looking for, post here as I know there are others that have private collections.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-01-2006, 07:34 PM

What kind of specific aircraft is he looking for. We have a world of information here on this site and I am sure everyone here would be willing to help with pics or information of the types.

loomaluftwaffe · 09-02-2006, 03:20 AM

for info, he could (or you) search around here in the picture album, or even try wikipedia

for good wwII color pics
World War 2 Pictures In Color
and FYI, i am a little 7th grade meatball from a 3rd world country

Gnomey · 09-02-2006, 02:33 PM

Yep that is a good site for colour pics.

@Looma - you don't have to put yourself down all the time...

the lancaster kicks ass · 09-02-2006, 03:42 PM

tell you what, as you're Americans why not go for a different angle other than primarily american events? combat on the eastern front for example, harder to research but very different to an all American presentation, come up with a theme for the project and we'll all help.........

evangilder · 09-03-2006, 02:17 AM

Interesting idea, Lanc. A lot of Americans don't know that you Brits won the Battle of Britain without us colonials. There is a wealth of info on the BoB here.

Susan · 09-03-2006, 11:46 AM

He is very familiar with all types of planes from various countries - he definitely doesn't want to focus on one country or one type of plane. He is not here, but will be home on Monday. I'll have him look at your responses and then let him post more specific questions.

The biggest thing he has to do is show that there were both triumphs and tragedies (the History Fair theme this year) and what sparked them. For instance, which aircrafts were clearly triumphs (an increased payload, faster, more accurate) and which ones weren't? Were some put together too quickly because of the war and not tested enough? Was there a reason or need to increase fuel efficiency or payload?

You get the idea...

I really do appreciate all of your suggestions! He's going to be so surprised that there's a community out here like this. Hope everyone is having a great weekend!

Pisis · 09-03-2006, 12:34 PM

In bigger scale, the Battle of Poland and France was a tragedy, and also ocuppation of Czechoslovakia, the planes ready for fight were took over by Nazis without a single shot duie to the Munich Agreement... But I'm going off topic. I definately agree on the Battle of Britain, it was a key event in WW2...

evangilder · 09-03-2006, 01:04 PM

For triumph and tragedy in the same vein, the Me-262 was a technological marvel, a triumph. In the end it was too little, too late and the alloys that were needed for heat treating the engines was not available. So it was a triumph in engineering and a tragedy in logistics and supply.

the lancaster kicks ass · 09-03-2006, 01:30 PM

yes i think that a triumph born out of a tragedy is a good idea, like a presentation on one tragedy, and then explain the lessons learnt and then explain how that was applied to a triumph, for example dare i say it, the tragedy of the Avro Manchester and the Triumph of the Avro lancaster

08-31-2006, 11:08 PM	#1
Susan Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10	Need your help, please! My son is doing his history fair project on the triumphs and tragedies of WWII aircraft. Do you have suggestions of where he can locate good resources? Thanks in advance!

08-31-2006, 11:13 PM	#2
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,051	Right here! Triumphs? Midway. Tragedies? Ploesti. Good luck! __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

08-31-2006, 11:40 PM	#3
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	If you have an air museum or CAF chapter nearby, he can get a ton of good information. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

09-01-2006, 10:39 AM	#4
loomaluftwaffe Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,848	wow, ur son is lucky that he can get help from his parents for his projects triumphs? ty googling those words mentioned like Ploesti or Midway or maybe even just type them in here, there is a search button somewhere __________________ "The German Luftwaffe always fought without any reserves. This is also the reason why we have pilots with extremely high numbers of victories." - General der Jagdflieger Adolf Galland"

09-01-2006, 05:01 PM	#6
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	Since it is for a school project, copyrights shouldn't be too much of an issue. The only CAF chapter in Florida is in Deland, I have no idea where that is in association with where you are. There is also one in Atlanta Georgia. If he is looking to do an exhibit, feel free to use any of the iamges from my website. If there are specific aircraft he is looking for, post here as I know there are others that have private collections. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

09-01-2006, 02:50 PM	#5
Susan Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10	Thanks for your suggestions! I'm pretty much an ogre parent with internet sites, so I told him I'd join the forum, but he has to do his own research He's in 8th grade and he loves the subject of planes, especially of this era. We are in North Florida, so I'm not sure if there are resources close to here. He is trying to decide whether to do an exhibit or a 10 minute documentary. We were worried about using footage - whether that would be costly or infringing on copywrites, etc. ANy other thoughts or suggestions?

09-01-2006, 07:34 PM	#7
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	What kind of specific aircraft is he looking for. We have a world of information here on this site and I am sure everyone here would be willing to help with pics or information of the types. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

09-02-2006, 03:20 AM	#8
loomaluftwaffe Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,848	for info, he could (or you) search around here in the picture album, or even try wikipedia for good wwII color pics World War 2 Pictures In Color and FYI, i am a little 7th grade meatball from a 3rd world country __________________ "The German Luftwaffe always fought without any reserves. This is also the reason why we have pilots with extremely high numbers of victories." - General der Jagdflieger Adolf Galland"

09-02-2006, 02:33 PM	#9
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,224	Yep that is a good site for colour pics. @Looma - you don't have to put yourself down all the time... __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

09-02-2006, 03:42 PM	#10
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	tell you what, as you're Americans why not go for a different angle other than primarily american events? combat on the eastern front for example, harder to research but very different to an all American presentation, come up with a theme for the project and we'll all help......... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

09-03-2006, 02:17 AM	#11
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	Interesting idea, Lanc. A lot of Americans don't know that you Brits won the Battle of Britain without us colonials. There is a wealth of info on the BoB here. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

09-03-2006, 11:46 AM	#12
Susan Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10	He is very familiar with all types of planes from various countries - he definitely doesn't want to focus on one country or one type of plane. He is not here, but will be home on Monday. I'll have him look at your responses and then let him post more specific questions. The biggest thing he has to do is show that there were both triumphs and tragedies (the History Fair theme this year) and what sparked them. For instance, which aircrafts were clearly triumphs (an increased payload, faster, more accurate) and which ones weren't? Were some put together too quickly because of the war and not tested enough? Was there a reason or need to increase fuel efficiency or payload? You get the idea... I really do appreciate all of your suggestions! He's going to be so surprised that there's a community out here like this. Hope everyone is having a great weekend!

09-03-2006, 12:34 PM	#13
Pisis Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Praga Mater Urbium Posts: 5,859	In bigger scale, the Battle of Poland and France was a tragedy, and also ocuppation of Czechoslovakia, the planes ready for fight were took over by Nazis without a single shot duie to the Munich Agreement... But I'm going off topic. I definately agree on the Battle of Britain, it was a key event in WW2... __________________ "He's a menace to himself and everything else in the air... yes, birds too." - Airplane! Memory of Nation Why Did Hitler Want Czechoslovakia WW2 Was A War That Had To Be Fought! What Really Happened in Israel? Children of Hamas

09-03-2006, 01:04 PM	#14
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	For triumph and tragedy in the same vein, the Me-262 was a technological marvel, a triumph. In the end it was too little, too late and the alloys that were needed for heat treating the engines was not available. So it was a triumph in engineering and a tragedy in logistics and supply. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

09-03-2006, 01:30 PM	#15
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	yes i think that a triumph born out of a tragedy is a good idea, like a presentation on one tragedy, and then explain the lessons learnt and then explain how that was applied to a triumph, for example dare i say it, the tragedy of the Avro Manchester and the Triumph of the Avro lancaster __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

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