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Originally Posted by Emac44  I am not defending the French Govt by any means. But one the French people still continued to fight even though their leaders gave up Yak seemingly you take no notice of the fight the French People did inside France and the assistance they gave to Allied Servicemen and Women. France did not surrender during WW1 to the best of my knowledge. French Troops had worse leaders then the British did during same war and yes the French did refuse to fight under circumstance due to high casuality rates on the Western Front during WW1 but again this was down to bad leadership not up to indidvidual units of the French Army. But even the British Army had mutinies in WW1 and it was the best kept secret of the war. And British desertion rates were extremely high during the first battle of the Somme another secret kept. So think again Yak
And as for the Atlantic Wall in Normandy. It wasn't as easy to breach that wall as you are referring to. Well seemingly to the troops it wasn't. Now ask yourself this question. Were the Germans Silly enough to attack the Maginot Line head on? Knowing full well it would have cut them to pieces. And the Germans didn't know precisely where the Allies were going to attack either Yak. Whether it be at Normandy or Pas De Calais or even in Norway let alone France. Ask yourself another question. Why didn't Hitler attack Switzerland? And no it wasn't because of the financial system of banks. It was because the Swiss not only had terrain in their favour but had strong fortifications in place through the Alpine Region. And for another reason Yak. If it wasn't for the geographic reasons that saved England from invasion plus the RAF Fighter Command. England would surely have been over run like France Greece Belguim Holland Norway Denmark Poland and nearly Western Russia . With the exception of Russia and England. Those other countries were over run. Some had standing armies so to speak of, others didn't. Or are they just as gutless as you are referring to france as Yak?
And Yak do you expect me to believe that when the USA fought in Vietnam and Korea that the ideals of victory in both those wars was seen through. Not just on the Battlefields but politically as well. The US led Allies won every battle in Vietnam but were unsuccessful in winning the war. And Korea was a stalemate which we still have today. Mistakes were made in Somalia by US Forces underestimating the Somalia Militia Men and gunmen of Warlords in that country. And now we have the War in Iraq with bumbling politicans on both sides of US Govt and other Allied Govts including my own making mistakes but not only in Iraq but also Afghanistan. Thank god for the Troops who mostly know whats going on. And all this is stark reality to Yak. I wonder how a Frenchman reading your comments would feel and updating some stark realities of his own towards you.
Patton was the last one to talk Yak. He got killed in an every day car accident. So claiming what he said in retrospect is pointless about dying on a battlefield etc
If you are to cast stones like you are doing Yak at france in the last war. Some one is going to point out some of your own country's shortcomings. better to come from an Ally then an enemy Yak. And I am not trying to offend any one from the US. But your own country does have some shortcomings of its own, as all countries do Yak |
First off let’s start with you quoting Patton first…. with this brainless banter you are spewing here.
“Patton himself virtually said that any man made obstruction made by man was never built not to withstand sustained attack etc and an army could defeat such fortifications etc.”
Now you are trying to discount him with saying:
“Patton was the last one to talk Yak. He got killed in an every day car accident. So claiming what he said in retrospect is pointless about dying on a battlefield etc”
Like he could stop fate!
You are all over the place…. bringing up pointless arguments!
Napoleon to Korea then to Vietnam. This is WW 2 forum and the subject matter is WW2.
I think it was the French that started the war in Vietnam and then bailed!
Also…. I call you to task to point out where…. I indicated that the wall in Europe was easy to get through! It was not!
Let me ask you this…. was it dead Aussie bodies littering the beaches at Normandy????
No it was not! It was mostly Americans.
Since your such a fan of the US. Recently your illustrious leader made the comment that the US needs to commit more troops to the war in Iraq!
Your leader needs to send some more than the 2,000 troops he has now.
Or the next option …… Shut his cake trap!
By the way isn’t that a Union Jack on your flag?
The bottom line is you are trying to dilute the facts with BS.
Hitler killed 6 million Jews, France surrendered and the allies won the war.
We would have won the war without the few French that actually had a spine or not.
I defiantly would not want “you” covering my six. Your to inconsistent!
BTW: I loved my trip to S Perth. Met some really nice people too.
I guess they all can’t be that way!
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