Italian copies of the DB 601

[Sagittario64]

I'm really into the Italian warplanes of wwii, and im up to the transition from the radial engined C.200s, G.50s, and Re.2000s, to the DB 601 powered C.202s and Re.2001s. what im wondering is, why it is said that the italian derivatives had less horsepower than the german ones? was it because of how they were manufactured? also didnt italians use different petrol than the germans? if so, how would that affect the 601's performance? the italian copy of the DB 601 i believe is called the Alfa Romeo R.A.1000 R.C.41I / R.C.44I(copied from wiki). can anyone give me some more detailed information or a link to some more info on the Italian DB 601 cousin?

[Denniss]

I don't know if their manufacturing had problems (steel/alloy quality,etc) but if they used lower-grade fuel they were most probably restricted from using higher boost settings.

[davebender]

Japan also had trouble with license manufacture of the DB601 engine. The USA had trouble with license manufacture of the Hs.404 20mm cannon and with copying the German Mg42 machinegun.

It's not easy to manufacture state of the art military equipment even if provided with blueprints and jigs.

[Sagittario64]

i read somewhere that italian and japanese DB 601s lost around 100hp compared to the german DB601s. but for the italians, this didnt seem to be much of a problem in their airplanes, especially the Reggiane Re.2001. apparently you may have a less powerful engine, but if you have a good airframe, you can make up for that loss in power with aerodynamics

[Vincenzo]

i'm not sure i remember right but i've read that italian 601 had a bit less HP (around 100 like you write) but can mantain the boost level for more time, thi swas for the most artigianal production of italians engine, but this give more trouble in the manutention

[Sagittario64]

Huh thats interesting. So the italian engine couldnt muster as much horsepower as the german engine, but could run at high speed longer than the german engine? i guess not all things dropped a peg when the italians made them

[Sagittario64]

So how did the different fuels play into this? i know that the italian fuel wasnt compatible with american engines, and the german engines probably had some different effects with italian petrol in them. also, did the italians build the alfa romeo with a cavity or a cylinder for a cannon to fire through the propeller hub? because i see what looks very much like a hole for a cannon muzzle in the C.202's prop spinner

and it is evident on the reggiane Re.2001 as well

[krieghund]

Here are Italian specs for the DB-601A in a MC-202

[Sagittario64]

I cant read italian, but it looks interesting'

[Vincenzo]

DB 601 Aa omologation (official air force) power 1100 HP at 4400 meters, 2400 rpm boost 1,35
for altitude from 0 to 6000 meters
take off normal - 2400 rpm - boost 1,3-1,35 kg for square cm - time limit 1'
take off emergency/overweight - 2400 rpm - boost 1,4-1,45 " " - " "
climb normal - 2200 rpm - boost 1,2-1,23 " - no limit
climb fast - 2400 rpm - boost 1,2-1,23 "- time limit 10'
climb emergency- 2400 rpm - boost 1,3-1,35 "- time limit 5'
max speed - as over
dive - 2800 rpm - NA - time limit 10'

over 6000 meters
2400 rpm and full throttle no time limit

[Sagittario64]

haha i really likie the no time limit

[tomo pauk]

Instead of 'power' perhaps the better word should be 'regime', in my translation?
The engine was to be operated from 0-6000m in those regimes, but I'm at odds what was allowed for beyond 6000m?

I'm open for corrections

[Sagittario64]

Im not sure whether the italians were fighting at altitudes of 6000m+ during 1942 when allied bombers had yet to commence strategic bombing against italy

[Vincenzo]

Instead of 'power' perhaps the better word should be 'regime', in my translation?
The engine was to be operated from 0-6000m in those regimes, but I'm at odds what was allowed for beyond 6000m?

I'm open for corrections

the first two regimes are for take off (distacco)

"sopra i 6000 m sono consentiti senza limiti di tempo 2400 giri/1' a pieno gas"
literally ""over 6000 m are allowed unlimited time 2400 rpm / 1 'at full throttle"

[Sagittario64]

What exactly was the italian wwii manufacturing complex like? was it anything like the german counterpart? if their machines werent as good, that might explain the slight degradation in engine performance