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07-26-2009, 08:48 AM
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| Note though these are different pictures of the same barn and aircraft at different times. The bottom one is missing the left side of the barn as if they opened it up to let more light in.
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07-26-2009, 09:53 AM
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 | I agree with you Paul... these pics are from different times.... About the Stuka, seens like it is an D-7 and not an D-3 version, these flame dumpers, was used on night versions, and by the books that I see, this was not used on D-3 versions. About the camo, I think that it could be some like this:, some suggestions guys ?? thanks to help-me ! Last edited by Lucke.stz; 07-26-2009 at 09:56 AM. |
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07-26-2009, 10:51 AM
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| Hope this will be of some help Lucas, one D-5 Stuka of NSGr 9 with "wave" camouflage pattern:
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07-26-2009, 11:05 AM
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| Lucas, I beleive your paint scheme would actually be closer to this one. Source is the same book as mentioned before.
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07-26-2009, 03:11 PM
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| Great pics and profiles Paul. There was some discussion recently aboy JU87D/5/7, and I believe Eric revelaed that there wasn't a D7, but that it was an erroneous identification for the D5, fotted with the flame damping exhausts for night use. I might be wrong on some of the details though. I think the barn roof is definitely wooden, as it's typical of barns in the region. Looking at its style and condition, it was probably built many years before the picture was taken, maybe even 50 years or more, so unlikely to be corrugated iron or tiles. Wooden planked, and wooden 'pan tile' or shingle roofs were, and still are, very common in the whole region.
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07-26-2009, 03:25 PM
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| Here another one shot of the Ju87 I have found somewhere in the net.
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07-26-2009, 04:04 PM
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| Nice find there Wojtek. 
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07-26-2009, 08:15 PM
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 | Is it odd that there is no national markings on the underside of the wings?
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07-26-2009, 08:35 PM
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| Wow !! A lot of pics and usefull informations Thanks to all !! Thanks fot the pic Wojtek  vikingBerserker, I´m with the same question.... Terry, I´m with you, the barn are all wood, I´ll do it with some balsa wood strips and liteply. Here in Brazil, we use only metal and ceramics tiles to roofs, about these kind of roof, what is the medium size of these type of planked tiles ?? I guess that our research is over ! A friend of mine send-me these profile, it is of exactly these plane of the pic !! Accordint of the book, the "waves" is on RLM 79, and waht about the other colors ?? Some suggestions ? Thanks to all ! Cheers, Lucas The pic is from the book : Junkers Ju 87 Stuka / Michulec, R. & Willis, M. / Mushroom Model Publications Last edited by Lucke.stz; 07-26-2009 at 08:51 PM. |
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07-27-2009, 02:18 AM
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| According to a few books about Stukas the standard camo scheme consisted of RLM70 / RLM71 / RML65. Then the "waves" of RLM79 were added.Also I have found that these "waves" were painted with RLM76 as well.Looking at these all pics I've got the impression that the Ju87D was on upper surfaces quite light.Comparing the light mottling to the underside colour I noticed that the difference between them both is quite small.So it is possible the Ju87D was mottled with the RLM76. In addition, the yellow painted quarter of the spinner in the last profile here might be incorrect.I think it should be white paint.The undersides seem to be painted with the RLM76 but not with RLM65.However taking the small difference between upper light mottling and the underside colour into consideration it could be said it was the same paint.
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07-27-2009, 08:50 AM
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| I go with you Wurger, there are no markings underside the wing, so it is possilbe that it could be painted. I do with the RLM 70 and 71 to camo, and 76 to undersides and waves. I think that the quarter on spinner is withe too, so will do like this. Now, hands on work Thanks to all information ! |
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07-27-2009, 09:43 AM
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| Good luck Lucas, I'm looking foprward to seeing this one! I don't think there was any standard size for the wooden 'tiles' on the roof of the barn. I'd guess they'd be about 2 feet x 2 feet, (50 x 50 cm), maybe a bit bigger, with a curved bottom edge, or a straight edge with rounded-off corners. That's the style I've seen before on such buildings.
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07-27-2009, 09:51 AM
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| Sorry if I'm a little late to the party, but: The D-7 designation was an incorrect designation for a D-3. The D-8 designation was an incorrect designation for a D-5. The discussion Terry was referring to was one brought up about one of my MTO builds.
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07-28-2009, 02:18 AM
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| About the barn...Terry is right in saying that most buildings in the region are of wood, and many atleast 50 years old at time of the photos...many are still standing even now another 65 years on..BUT, I think this roof may be of sheet or fine corrugated iron... look at the complete section that has come off the near side in the pic Wojtek posted above, and especially the end of the panel next to it: it looks thin and is curved up in the middle the way a sheet of roofing iron does when not nailed down. The very light construction of the roof beams might support this hunch too, as (IMO) they would need to be stronger and much more frequent if they had to suport wooden planks (they'd never survive the heavy snowfalls there for one thing...it can sit 20 cm thick on the rooves quite often.) Just my opinion... Great project too, Lucas! |
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