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Airframes · 12-28-2008, 07:57 PM

Thanks for the clarification of the translation Erich. I always take the word as 'Undertake' (Unternehmen') to mean 'To undertake', roughly the equivalent to the British 'Operation' - to undertake (operate/operation) Overlord, for example.
Chris, here's a pic and profile that might help you a bit. The B&W photo is of Me410B-2/U2, W.Nr. 710340, thought to be from ZG26, summer 1944. Note fuselage band. I have somewhere a photo showing the white clog on an engine cowling, and one without the clog. Looks like not all aircraft wore the badge. Hope this helps.
Jan, glad you suggested this scheme, it's generated a lot of interest and enthusiasm, well done!
Und so, loss Unternehemen Flugbrucke! (sorry, can't get umlauts on this system!)
Terry.

Erich · 12-28-2008, 08:20 PM

Terry it is actually an A-1/U2 not a B series

and closer examination the B-1's and B-2's of II./ZG 26 DID have a wide white band. II./ZG 26 symbol was a wooden shoe usually yellow. I./ZG 26 symbol was a yellow jacket. for both Gruppes the symbol was not always worn. Also your profile is incorrect as II./ZG 26 no longer existed after July 1944 so the Me 410 could not be from the autumn 1944 time period. the unit became the cadre for single engine fighter unit ............ oh yee haw, formed the basis for the JG 6 unit. most likely the profile should read autumn 1943.

Njaco · 12-28-2008, 08:22 PM

Erich and Terry, thanks for the pics and updates. I agree its a little hazy about ZG 26 markings. One source I found said that the white band was retained after getting the machines from ZG 1 but I'm assuming those would be Me 410As not the Bs that they receved in Feb. The Gruppe emblem I'm up in the air as I have almost no reference pics or books about ZG 26 except on the net which I find can be trying.

I think all in all, unless I find something definative, I'm going to go with the generally accepted scheme.

And maybe this post should be moved to a more appropriate thread instead of this one - maybe one of the first ones about the build.

oops! Just noticed the other threads are closed.

Erich · 12-28-2008, 08:25 PM

throw the wide band on it, forget the wooden shoe in my thoughts, use the 3U + ?? marking and not the colored number as that was usually for ZG 76 crates, in fact I am trying to find any ZG 26 machines using numerals and the second gruppe bar. ZG 76: II. gruppe used the numerals that is fact.

Airframes · 12-28-2008, 08:32 PM

Thanks Erich. That profile is from a rather old publication, examaination of which has revealed a few inaccuracies here and there. The 'winged clog' badge I have seen photos of, and decals, in white. As I understand it, the badge originated from the unit's early base postings in Holland. However, you are right, evidence of the badge appearing on '410's is rare, whatever the colour. I'll try to find some more pics, as I'm sure I've got some somewhere; I must get a better filing system!

109ROAMING · 12-28-2008, 09:18 PM

Category 3 beginner
Me-109K-4
Revell
1/48
Don't know the pilot of IV./JG 53
Build out of box(with some additional decals

)

Lucky13 · 12-28-2008, 09:54 PM

Category 3 Beginner....(I think, will use aftermarket decals and flattened wheel and possibly prepainted instrument panels...(HELP! Right category?)...)
Bf 109G-10 "Yellow 13" Pilot, Heinrich Bartels.
Bf 109K-4 "Yellow 13" Pilot, unknown.
Both are Hasegawa 1/48
OOB besides aftermarket decals, flattened wheels and prepainted instrument panel...
1 or 2 (G-10's) whichever I can find...and 3 (K-4) which I think I've ordered from Hannant's, still not received an order confirmation, have e-mailed them though.

Finding out more about Heinrich Bartels "Yellow 13" will fun, interesting and educational!

javlin · 12-28-2008, 10:05 PM

Does this guys machine fit the time frame??Deacls or instruction say nothing about era of operation and I am lazy right now and too much knowledge floating in this thread.Oh yea class 2 with Verlindin kit.kevin

I got unlazy kill 120 occurred 2.10.1943 11:40 P-39

lesofprimus · 12-28-2008, 10:14 PM

Guys, if we're gonna do this right, the discussions on ur particular model should be put into a thread concerning ur specific build....

So, Chris, if u would, start a new thread titled "Me 410 B-1/U2/R4 by Njaco" and the specific questions can get answered there without cluttering up this thread....

lesofprimus · 12-28-2008, 10:15 PM

And u can put it in the Start to Finish Builds....

Lucky13 · 12-28-2008, 10:19 PM

I'll start my thread as soon as I've got everything sorted...

lesofprimus · 12-28-2008, 10:21 PM

If doing multiple builds, I suggest doing a different thread for each build...

Lucky13 · 12-28-2008, 10:22 PM

Right Dan, cool....was just going to ask about that.

lesofprimus · 12-28-2008, 10:25 PM

Great minds think alike Brother Jan...

Njaco · 12-28-2008, 11:01 PM

Will do. Erich, I'm gonna post a question there about Tratt's machine that your response brought to mind. Oh, and Javelin, that mk of the Bf 109 should be fine but the boxart depicts Hartmann's machine I believe and he was on Eastern Front duties, not Reichsverteidigung.

Carry on.

12-28-2008, 08:20 PM	#17
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	Terry it is actually an A-1/U2 not a B series and closer examination the B-1's and B-2's of II./ZG 26 DID have a wide white band. II./ZG 26 symbol was a wooden shoe usually yellow. I./ZG 26 symbol was a yellow jacket. for both Gruppes the symbol was not always worn. Also your profile is incorrect as II./ZG 26 no longer existed after July 1944 so the Me 410 could not be from the autumn 1944 time period. the unit became the cadre for single engine fighter unit ............ oh yee haw, formed the basis for the JG 6 unit. most likely the profile should read autumn 1943. __________________ Rip it up ! Last edited by Erich; 12-28-2008 at 08:23 PM.

12-28-2008, 08:22 PM	#18
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,236	Erich and Terry, thanks for the pics and updates. I agree its a little hazy about ZG 26 markings. One source I found said that the white band was retained after getting the machines from ZG 1 but I'm assuming those would be Me 410As not the Bs that they receved in Feb. The Gruppe emblem I'm up in the air as I have almost no reference pics or books about ZG 26 except on the net which I find can be trying. I think all in all, unless I find something definative, I'm going to go with the generally accepted scheme. And maybe this post should be moved to a more appropriate thread instead of this one - maybe one of the first ones about the build. oops! Just noticed the other threads are closed. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/ Last edited by Njaco; 12-28-2008 at 08:25 PM.

12-28-2008, 08:25 PM	#19
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	throw the wide band on it, forget the wooden shoe in my thoughts, use the 3U + ?? marking and not the colored number as that was usually for ZG 76 crates, in fact I am trying to find any ZG 26 machines using numerals and the second gruppe bar. ZG 76: II. gruppe used the numerals that is fact. __________________ Rip it up !

12-28-2008, 10:14 PM	#24
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	Guys, if we're gonna do this right, the discussions on ur particular model should be put into a thread concerning ur specific build.... So, Chris, if u would, start a new thread titled "Me 410 B-1/U2/R4 by Njaco" and the specific questions can get answered there without cluttering up this thread.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

12-28-2008, 10:15 PM	#25
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	And u can put it in the Start to Finish Builds.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

12-28-2008, 08:32 PM	#20
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Thanks Erich. That profile is from a rather old publication, examaination of which has revealed a few inaccuracies here and there. The 'winged clog' badge I have seen photos of, and decals, in white. As I understand it, the badge originated from the unit's early base postings in Holland. However, you are right, evidence of the badge appearing on '410's is rare, whatever the colour. I'll try to find some more pics, as I'm sure I've got some somewhere; I must get a better filing system!

12-28-2008, 10:19 PM	#26
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,144	I'll start my thread as soon as I've got everything sorted... __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

12-28-2008, 10:21 PM	#27
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	If doing multiple builds, I suggest doing a different thread for each build... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

12-28-2008, 10:22 PM	#28
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,144	Right Dan, cool....was just going to ask about that. __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

12-28-2008, 10:25 PM	#29
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	Great minds think alike Brother Jan... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

12-28-2008, 11:01 PM	#30
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,236	Will do. Erich, I'm gonna post a question there about Tratt's machine that your response brought to mind. Oh, and Javelin, that mk of the Bf 109 should be fine but the boxart depicts Hartmann's machine I believe and he was on Eastern Front duties, not Reichsverteidigung. Carry on. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

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