Unternehmen Luftbrücke (Operation Air Bridge), WW2Aircraft.net Group Build.... - Page 3 - Aircraft of World War II

javlin · 12-29-2008, 12:02 AM

Njaco would not that still be a defense of a front some had the W with bomber command and others the E with the advance of the Russkies??

Njaco · 12-29-2008, 12:44 AM

It actually was two seperate fronts until the last days. Reichs defense (Reichsvertiedigung) was more like a Luftflotte when concieved. The Eastern Front had its own 2 or 3 Luftflotte while the West had Luftflotte in Occupied Europe to defend and then the special Reichsver. over Germany itself. At least on paper.

Hartmann defiantely was on the Eastern Front though at the later stages it could be construed as defending the Reich.

rochie · 12-29-2008, 10:04 AM

Category 3 beginner
bf-109 K4
Revell
1/48
useing the decals from the box depicting red 7 of IIIJ/G27
also in the same category 3
fw 190 A8
academy
1/72
black 5 of III J/G 54 in a 76/74/75 scheme as discussed in another thread

BombTaxi · 12-29-2008, 05:23 PM

OK, I'll give this a go...

Category 3 (Beginner)

Italeri No. 1266

1/72nd scale Do 217J-2

II/NJG101, Hungary, 1944

Built straight OOB, including decals

Matt308 · 12-29-2008, 06:55 PM

Nice! Excellent BombTaxi.

lesofprimus · 12-29-2008, 08:07 PM

Yea, real nice...

I think we've got our Judges figured out, with Wayne, Terry, Erich, Charles and possibly Eric as well....

ccheese · 12-29-2008, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

Yea, real nice...

I think we've got our Judges figured out, with Wayne, Terry, Erich, Charles and possibly Eric as well....

Thanks, Dan. You guys will notice, I am not entering a model. You don't
have a class that I would fit into. You numbers don't go that high ! I'd
be in the "never built one before" class. I love those rubber powered,
balsa/tissue planes !

Charles

Erich · 12-29-2008, 10:53 PM

yes I will have to be one of the judges, building a model, man I cannot even think of the time frame that I last built up one - maybe elementary school for an aviation theme - must have been a B-24 I shot to pieces with an overugly Fw 190A-8 flying in behind covered in glue.

lets just say I will be more than available to help out with research going towards these very interesting builds

good luck to all !

E ~

javlin · 12-29-2008, 11:06 PM

Erich does Hartmann's plane on the E front work or do I need to go W?Also if I need to go W how about some Gruppe #'s so I know what I am looking for at the LHS.Kevin

Erich · 12-29-2008, 11:15 PM

Kevin it is up to you, my strong points are for the western front crates. I can hep you with gruppes if you so desire, JG 53 operated all the G and k variants of the 109. black fuselage band as standard fit in 45, if you want to do a G-14/AS, G-10 or K-4.

let me know......you have G-10's fitted in III./JG 300 as an example with blue/white/blue rear defense band. JG 4 III. gruppe flew G-10 and K-4 but on the Ost front but they still carried their western front defense band of black, white, black. just some x-amples for you.

Njaco · 12-30-2008, 12:21 AM

Sorry Kevin if I confused you but I bow to the judges wisdom.

A4K · 12-30-2008, 03:04 AM

Okay... after MUCH deliberation and frustation trying to think of what I'd love to do most, versus what I realistically have time for, I pretty much gave up on it all, so I decided to offer my darling (and enduring!) fiancée - without whose patience and tolerance nothing would get done anyway (

)- a brief outline of aircraft used in the Defence of the Reich on all fronts with a list of my 9 most preferred to choose from...

The result: 4 aircraft were chosen - and so my entries will be (in order of Ivett's preference, and order of build, as and if time allows: )

1. Messerschmitt Me 163B-1a Komet (Academy 1:72) - it's "cute"!

2. Heinkel He 162A-1 or A-2 (Dragon 1:72) - also "cute", but not as much as the 163...

Also chosen were the Focke-Wulf fw 190A-8/F-8 ("not bad"), and Focke-Wulf fw 190D-9 ("not bad either, but the short one's better" - the poor Ta 152 was considered ugly...), but I'll be lucky if I even have time for the first two at the moment.

lesofprimus · 12-30-2008, 06:55 AM

The only crate of Hartmanns that I would consider doable for this build would be in the very last stages of the War, either April or May 1945....

tango35 · 12-30-2008, 10:34 AM

Hello folks,
after changing the modeling/modelling section here i enter the Reichsdefense GB as Class 2 Builder.

Both Aircrafts were part of a flight on 27th November 1944 from 3rd Group JG 26. They atarted from Plantelünne AB; through icing the windows and many other reasons (lack of training, new machines with technical failures, etc.) they didnt had a real chance.

Only one ac survived, because its oil pipe broke and the aviator landed at Rheine AB. Here he saw that the 2 airplanes went to ground.
(The story behind the build is published in JG 26 War Diary by J.Caldwell, 1943-1945, PP 381-382 ).

The first :
Messerschmitt Me 109 G-14, Black 16, WNr 460514
Hasegawa 1/32

The second :
Messerschmii me 109 K-4, Blue 26, WNr 330152
RoG 1/32 reboxed Hasegawa

greets

Thomas

Airframes · 12-30-2008, 09:00 PM

Righto chaps! Not counting Wayne and myself, so far there are 8 entries for Unternehmen Flugbrucke. These are, in the order received, and with Category entry:-
Lesofprimus Cat 2
Njaco Cat 2
Lucky 13 Cat 3
Javlin Cat 3
rochie Cat 3
Bomb Taxi Cat 3
A4K Cat ?
Tango 35 Cat 2
There is plenty of time to finalise the details of the actual numbers and type/scales of entry, and as long as these details are submitted no later than say, early April, that should be OK. I have recorded those kit details submitted so far.
If you haven't already done so , could you please let me know which category you intend entering.
Eight entries is a very good start in the the short space of time since the concept was first mooted. However, there are more modellers on this forum who have not expressed an interest in joining in, and Ii am wondering whether, after all the in-depth discussion, some of these may feel intimidated or out of their depth. Personally, I believe that this Group Build is a wonderful way to broaden knowledge and improve skills, and that entering this 'competition' is a way of focusing ones self in order to do a better job.
To this end, I will post a separate thread under the 'Start to finish builds' heading, in the hope of attracting more modellers to the fray.
In the meantime, 'Frohliche Frie Jagd!'
Terry.

12-29-2008, 12:02 AM	#31
javlin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: MS Posts: 800	Njaco would not that still be a defense of a front some had the W with bomber command and others the E with the advance of the Russkies?? __________________ There is no "overkill". There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload". A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go. "We don't want war. Nor will we tolerate slavery." "A free man would rather die on his feet than live on his knees."

12-29-2008, 12:44 AM	#32
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,237	It actually was two seperate fronts until the last days. Reichs defense (Reichsvertiedigung) was more like a Luftflotte when concieved. The Eastern Front had its own 2 or 3 Luftflotte while the West had Luftflotte in Occupied Europe to defend and then the special Reichsver. over Germany itself. At least on paper. Hartmann defiantely was on the Eastern Front though at the later stages it could be construed as defending the Reich. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

12-29-2008, 05:23 PM	#34
BombTaxi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brownhills, W. Mids, UK Posts: 1,189	OK, I'll give this a go... Category 3 (Beginner) Italeri No. 1266 1/72nd scale Do 217J-2 II/NJG101, Hungary, 1944 Built straight OOB, including decals __________________ Good generals think about tactics. Great generals think about logistics. "If freedom is to be saved and enlarged, poverty must be ended. There is no other solution." - Nye Bevan "Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to ask for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee" - John Donne, Meditation XVII

12-29-2008, 06:55 PM	#35
Matt308 aka Dickcheese Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 13,386	Nice! Excellent BombTaxi. __________________ "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the [U.S.] Marines don't have that problem." -- Ronald Reagan Master of Duplicate Posts

12-29-2008, 08:07 PM	#36
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	Yea, real nice... I think we've got our Judges figured out, with Wayne, Terry, Erich, Charles and possibly Eric as well.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

12-29-2008, 10:53 PM	#38
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	yes I will have to be one of the judges, building a model, man I cannot even think of the time frame that I last built up one - maybe elementary school for an aviation theme - must have been a B-24 I shot to pieces with an overugly Fw 190A-8 flying in behind covered in glue. lets just say I will be more than available to help out with research going towards these very interesting builds good luck to all ! E ~ __________________ Rip it up !

12-29-2008, 11:06 PM	#39
javlin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: MS Posts: 800	Erich does Hartmann's plane on the E front work or do I need to go W?Also if I need to go W how about some Gruppe #'s so I know what I am looking for at the LHS.Kevin __________________ There is no "overkill". There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload". A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go. "We don't want war. Nor will we tolerate slavery." "A free man would rather die on his feet than live on his knees."

12-29-2008, 11:15 PM	#40
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	Kevin it is up to you, my strong points are for the western front crates. I can hep you with gruppes if you so desire, JG 53 operated all the G and k variants of the 109. black fuselage band as standard fit in 45, if you want to do a G-14/AS, G-10 or K-4. let me know......you have G-10's fitted in III./JG 300 as an example with blue/white/blue rear defense band. JG 4 III. gruppe flew G-10 and K-4 but on the Ost front but they still carried their western front defense band of black, white, black. just some x-amples for you. __________________ Rip it up !

12-30-2008, 12:21 AM	#41
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,237	Sorry Kevin if I confused you but I bow to the judges wisdom. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

12-30-2008, 03:04 AM	#42
A4K Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,224	Okay... after MUCH deliberation and frustation trying to think of what I'd love to do most, versus what I realistically have time for, I pretty much gave up on it all, so I decided to offer my darling (and enduring!) fiancée - without whose patience and tolerance nothing would get done anyway ( )- a brief outline of aircraft used in the Defence of the Reich on all fronts with a list of my 9 most preferred to choose from... The result: 4 aircraft were chosen - and so my entries will be (in order of Ivett's preference, and order of build, as and if time allows: ) 1. Messerschmitt Me 163B-1a Komet (Academy 1:72) - it's "cute"! 2. Heinkel He 162A-1 or A-2 (Dragon 1:72) - also "cute", but not as much as the 163... Also chosen were the Focke-Wulf fw 190A-8/F-8 ("not bad"), and Focke-Wulf fw 190D-9 ("not bad either, but the short one's better" - the poor Ta 152 was considered ugly...), but I'll be lucky if I even have time for the first two at the moment.

12-30-2008, 06:55 AM	#43
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	The only crate of Hartmanns that I would consider doable for this build would be in the very last stages of the War, either April or May 1945.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

12-30-2008, 10:34 AM	#44
tango35 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hannover Region Posts: 105	Hello folks, after changing the modeling/modelling section here i enter the Reichsdefense GB as Class 2 Builder. Both Aircrafts were part of a flight on 27th November 1944 from 3rd Group JG 26. They atarted from Plantelünne AB; through icing the windows and many other reasons (lack of training, new machines with technical failures, etc.) they didnt had a real chance. Only one ac survived, because its oil pipe broke and the aviator landed at Rheine AB. Here he saw that the 2 airplanes went to ground. (The story behind the build is published in JG 26 War Diary by J.Caldwell, 1943-1945, PP 381-382 ). The first : Messerschmitt Me 109 G-14, Black 16, WNr 460514 Hasegawa 1/32 The second : Messerschmii me 109 K-4, Blue 26, WNr 330152 RoG 1/32 reboxed Hasegawa greets Thomas

12-30-2008, 09:00 PM	#45
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Righto chaps! Not counting Wayne and myself, so far there are 8 entries for Unternehmen Flugbrucke. These are, in the order received, and with Category entry:- Lesofprimus Cat 2 Njaco Cat 2 Lucky 13 Cat 3 Javlin Cat 3 rochie Cat 3 Bomb Taxi Cat 3 A4K Cat ? Tango 35 Cat 2 There is plenty of time to finalise the details of the actual numbers and type/scales of entry, and as long as these details are submitted no later than say, early April, that should be OK. I have recorded those kit details submitted so far. If you haven't already done so , could you please let me know which category you intend entering. Eight entries is a very good start in the the short space of time since the concept was first mooted. However, there are more modellers on this forum who have not expressed an interest in joining in, and Ii am wondering whether, after all the in-depth discussion, some of these may feel intimidated or out of their depth. Personally, I believe that this Group Build is a wonderful way to broaden knowledge and improve skills, and that entering this 'competition' is a way of focusing ones self in order to do a better job. To this end, I will post a separate thread under the 'Start to finish builds' heading, in the hope of attracting more modellers to the fray. In the meantime, 'Frohliche Frie Jagd!' Terry. Last edited by lesofprimus; 12-31-2008 at 08:16 PM. Reason: Corrections/additions.

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