The model expo in Wałcz museum. - Page 2 - Aircraft of World War II

ccheese · 02-17-2009, 08:58 AM

Nice Pic's Wojtek. Good workmanship, too....

Charles

Wurger · 02-17-2009, 09:14 AM

THX Charles.

And here ORP Orzeł - the Polish famous submarine.

Lucky13 · 02-17-2009, 03:47 PM

Like that sub! Never heard of her, so I had to look her up....

Lucky13 · 02-17-2009, 04:04 PM

Orzeł incident

ORP OrzełThe Orzeł incident was an incident at the beginning of World War II in which the Polish submarine ORP Orzeł escaped from internment in Tallinn, Estonia, and eventually made her way to the United Kingdom. The Hague Convention of 1907, section XIII, Article 8, requires all military ships to be interned by neutral parties, and her escape caused Estonian neutrality to be questioned by the Soviet Union and Germany.

The ORP Orzeł reached Tallinn on September 14, 1939. On 15 September Captain of ORP Orzeł Lieutenant-Commander Henryk Kłoczkowski left the boat for hospital as a result of an unidentified illness from which he had been suffering since September 8. At German insistence, the Estonian authorities interned the crew, confiscated its maps, and started to dismantle the armament. After the Soviet Union attacked Poland on September 17, 1939 the crew elected to escape with the boat and make the perilous journey to Scotland. Under the command of its former executive officer, Lt.Cdr. Jan Grudziński VM DSO, Orzeł escaped on September 18 with two Estonian guards taken captive. The Estonian and German press declared them dead, but the submarine made it to Swedish waters and the two Estonian guards taken captive were provided with money and food for their safe return home, with the new captain saying that "if one is returning from the underworld, one should travel first class only". Orzeł then went to the Royal Navy base at Rosyth in Scotland.

ORP Orzeł monument in TallinnEstonia's failure to disarm and intern the crew, interpreted by the Soviet Union as lack of will, was used as a pretext by the Soviet Union to accuse Estonia of "helping them escape" and to claim that Estonia was not neutral. The Soviets demanded to be allowed to place military bases on Estonian soil, threatening Estonia with war if she would not comply. This was simply a convenient pretext; the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, already gave German agreement allowing the Soviet Union to take over the Baltic countries.

The Orzeł incident was used to force the "pact of defence and mutual assistance" on Estonia, which was signed on September 28, 1939, and led to the occupation and annexation of Estonia by the Soviet Union in 1940.

Wurger · 02-17-2009, 05:04 PM

The text is a little bit incorrect generally.First of all the Orzeł escape was not the only reason for the Russian invasion on Estonia.But it is true Russian got the event as their provocation for that.What is more Orzeł could stay in Tallin for 24 hours and get any help according to Internationl Law.Then it should have left.The Estonian authorities let Orzeł stay in the harbour for 48 hours but before the term was off they had interned the crew and the ship.
When Orzeł escaped, on 27th September Russian reported the Soviet ship named "Metallist" sunk by an unidentified submarine , five crew members were killed.On 28the September there was reported the another attack on the "Pionier" boat.In 80's Finns revealed an evidence of a captured during the Winter War Russian Navy officer, who told that the Russian submarine Щ-303, the Commander - Kpt Osipov, was responsible for these attacks.It was Andriej Żdanow's order.

BTW Almost all Polish submarines that took part in the September Campaign 1939 were interned in Sweden.

Wurger · 02-17-2009, 05:49 PM

ORP Orzeł on postage stamps ...

Airframes · 02-17-2009, 05:57 PM

Very nice model, and an interesting background history. Yet again, modelling proves educational! Thanks Wojtek and Jan.

Wurger · 02-17-2009, 06:29 PM

You are welcome Terry,here are pics of the Second Lieutenant Marian Tadeusz Mokrski, The Navy Navigator and his maps that were drawn by himself using his memory.He was 24 at that moment.

Wayne Little · 02-18-2009, 07:13 AM

Real nice stuff Wojtek, thanks mate!

Wurger · 02-18-2009, 07:24 AM

THX. Glad you are interested in boys....

. Here PZL P-37B Łoś.I thought the model could have been made better but the modeller could be young.

Catch22 · 02-18-2009, 12:03 PM

Great shots!

Wurger · 02-18-2009, 01:15 PM

THX Cory....

Gnomey · 02-18-2009, 01:49 PM

Nice stuff! All paper models as well

which is a nice change.

Wurger · 02-18-2009, 02:16 PM

Yes these are made of cardboard Gnomey.

Airframes · 02-18-2009, 05:03 PM

Fantastic card models Wojtek - now I'll have to try that '109!!
Did you get any pics of the Mosquito, just visible at the bottom of one of the shots?

02-17-2009, 08:58 AM	#16
ccheese Older Than Dirt Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia Posts: 7,309	Nice Pic's Wojtek. Good workmanship, too.... Charles __________________ I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either....

02-17-2009, 04:04 PM	#19
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,144	Orzeł incident ORP OrzełThe Orzeł incident was an incident at the beginning of World War II in which the Polish submarine ORP Orzeł escaped from internment in Tallinn, Estonia, and eventually made her way to the United Kingdom. The Hague Convention of 1907, section XIII, Article 8, requires all military ships to be interned by neutral parties, and her escape caused Estonian neutrality to be questioned by the Soviet Union and Germany. The ORP Orzeł reached Tallinn on September 14, 1939. On 15 September Captain of ORP Orzeł Lieutenant-Commander Henryk Kłoczkowski left the boat for hospital as a result of an unidentified illness from which he had been suffering since September 8. At German insistence, the Estonian authorities interned the crew, confiscated its maps, and started to dismantle the armament. After the Soviet Union attacked Poland on September 17, 1939 the crew elected to escape with the boat and make the perilous journey to Scotland. Under the command of its former executive officer, Lt.Cdr. Jan Grudziński VM DSO, Orzeł escaped on September 18 with two Estonian guards taken captive. The Estonian and German press declared them dead, but the submarine made it to Swedish waters and the two Estonian guards taken captive were provided with money and food for their safe return home, with the new captain saying that "if one is returning from the underworld, one should travel first class only". Orzeł then went to the Royal Navy base at Rosyth in Scotland. ORP Orzeł monument in TallinnEstonia's failure to disarm and intern the crew, interpreted by the Soviet Union as lack of will, was used as a pretext by the Soviet Union to accuse Estonia of "helping them escape" and to claim that Estonia was not neutral. The Soviets demanded to be allowed to place military bases on Estonian soil, threatening Estonia with war if she would not comply. This was simply a convenient pretext; the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, already gave German agreement allowing the Soviet Union to take over the Baltic countries. The Orzeł incident was used to force the "pact of defence and mutual assistance" on Estonia, which was signed on September 28, 1939, and led to the occupation and annexation of Estonia by the Soviet Union in 1940. __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

02-17-2009, 05:04 PM	#20
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,972	The text is a little bit incorrect generally.First of all the Orzeł escape was not the only reason for the Russian invasion on Estonia.But it is true Russian got the event as their provocation for that.What is more Orzeł could stay in Tallin for 24 hours and get any help according to Internationl Law.Then it should have left.The Estonian authorities let Orzeł stay in the harbour for 48 hours but before the term was off they had interned the crew and the ship. When Orzeł escaped, on 27th September Russian reported the Soviet ship named "Metallist" sunk by an unidentified submarine , five crew members were killed.On 28the September there was reported the another attack on the "Pionier" boat.In 80's Finns revealed an evidence of a captured during the Winter War Russian Navy officer, who told that the Russian submarine Щ-303, the Commander - Kpt Osipov, was responsible for these attacks.It was Andriej Żdanow's order. BTW Almost all Polish submarines that took part in the September Campaign 1939 were interned in Sweden. __________________ Last edited by Wurger; 02-17-2009 at 05:55 PM.

02-17-2009, 05:57 PM	#22
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Very nice model, and an interesting background history. Yet again, modelling proves educational! Thanks Wojtek and Jan. __________________

02-18-2009, 07:13 AM	#24
Wayne Little Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Adelaide Sth. Aust. Posts: 12,511	Real nice stuff Wojtek, thanks mate! __________________

02-18-2009, 12:03 PM	#26
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	Great shots! __________________

02-18-2009, 01:49 PM	#28
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,224	Nice stuff! All paper models as well which is a nice change. __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

02-18-2009, 05:03 PM	#30
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Fantastic card models Wojtek - now I'll have to try that '109!! Did you get any pics of the Mosquito, just visible at the bottom of one of the shots? __________________

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