Bf 110G-2 'Pulk-Zerstörer'.... - Aircraft of World War II

Lucky13 · 09-24-2009, 03:04 AM

Found two (just noticed a third) interesting pics in the Bf 110 Zerstörer Vol 2 book of two Pulk-Zerstörer '110's.

37mm cannon, four MG's and a single W. Gr. Mortar under each wing...

Same 37mm cannon, but two MG 151/20 instead for the four smaller MG's, also with a single W. Gr. Mortar under
each wing....heavy punch this one me think!

Have no idea as to which Geschwader any of the two belong to....

GrauGeist · 09-24-2009, 03:19 AM

Not a very common sight, that combination...

The quality of the photos are sort of frustrating...it'll make a unit I.D. pretty difficult

Lucky13 · 09-24-2009, 06:31 AM

True mate!

Erich · 09-24-2009, 03:37 PM

ZG 76

you own me a good German Bier.

ZG 26, 76 and 1 experimented with different cannon and rocket setups to find the perfect match, they never did.........

the 3.7cm was very short term as it vibrated so bad and was not accurate enough even at long ranges where the B-17/B-24 return fire could not hit them. You can well imagine the flying characteristics with this overblown thing under the fuselage and then when it fired.

I have pics galore now to find and post them.

the first pic is the designcfirst used finding the 4 mg 17's did not have the range nor the punch to tear apart the US heavies, probably in the fall of 1943 where the second pic could of been late fall winter even into very early spring but usually the 3.7cm was removed by then replaced either by four 2cm in the nose or 3cm above (rare) and 2cm below and the addition (quite common and favored) of the small weapons package of two 2cm in a waffen pod under the belly

am assuming this is the intro to your G-2 bomber killer model ??

Erich · 09-24-2009, 03:41 PM

a couple pics for everyone's pleasure from ZG 76, note the wide yellow Reich Rumpfbnad

Erich · 09-24-2009, 03:43 PM

can't remember if this is another ZG 76 crate through a bad filter or one from II./ZG 1

nope it's from ZG 76 and it is yellow band note the code : M 8

Airframes · 09-24-2009, 04:08 PM

Great info and pics Erich, as always!

Lucky13 · 09-24-2009, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erich

ZG 76

you own me a good German Bier.

ZG 26, 76 and 1 experimented with different cannon and rocket setups to find the perfect match, they never did.........

the 3.7cm was very short term as it vibrated so bad and was not accurate enough even at long ranges where the B-17/B-24 return fire could not hit them. You can well imagine the flying characteristics with this overblown thing under the fuselage and then when it fired.

I have pics galore now to find and post them.

the first pic is the designcfirst used finding the 4 mg 17's did not have the range nor the punch to tear apart the US heavies, probably in the fall of 1943 where the second pic could of been late fall winter even into very early spring but usually the 3.7cm was removed by then replaced either by four 2cm in the nose or 3cm above (rare) and 2cm below and the addition (quite common and favored) of the small weapons package of two 2cm in a waffen pod under the belly

am assuming this is the intro to your G-2 bomber killer model ??

A good German bier.....? I'll get you a whole crate mate!

Indeed it is Erich. Since looking for info and decide which crate or pilot to use as a subject, is half the fun...

Thank you ever so much my friend!

lesofprimus · 09-24-2009, 05:17 PM

Great stuff Erich as always...

Erich · 09-24-2009, 05:28 PM

cool glad you guys are enjoying some old fotos.........

anyone able to enlarge this one for this thread, some interesting notataions on it.

Micdrow · 09-24-2009, 05:33 PM

Great stuff here guys, Jan you may find this interesting also.

Erich · 09-24-2009, 05:36 PM

ok two more for today guys till I find the rest of the stash which is hidden is some dark funny corner

going casual a Bf 110G-2 crew of ZG 26, note narrow white Rumpfband

and one of my fav's been used in many books. circa: December 43-January 1944. a staffel of G-2's from II./ZG 1 on the hunt for 15th AF heavies over the Alpen

note : 2Z + BP was shot down on a later sortie in combat, though the band looks yellow it is dirty white in part to the overspray of the light grey for winter use

Micdrow · 09-24-2009, 05:41 PM

This link might be of some interest to a few also.

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/oth...als-12902.html (Bf-110 Manuals)

Erich · 09-24-2009, 05:58 PM

if anyone can find the following, blue covers with black horizontal stripe Bf 110G-2 Flugzeug-handbuch

d.(LUFT) T. 2110 G-2, Teil 8 A Scußwaffenanlage ( März 1943)

ausgabe April 1943

this is a must have for all the G-2 enthusiaists

yes all in German but still, I also have an 8 page introductory segment all in English with breif descriptions on the details of the arms systems used.

now the nice booklet may be on the net somewhere, Micdrow may have found the spot already. .............. .

Erich · 09-24-2009, 06:11 PM

a little background on an unknown air battle with II./ZG 1 in participation done up by friend P. Kassak as resercher

456th Bomb Group Association: Miller / Hightshoe Crash

09-24-2009, 03:04 AM	#1
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,121	Bf 110G-2 'Pulk-Zerstörer'.... Found two (just noticed a third) interesting pics in the Bf 110 Zerstörer Vol 2 book of two Pulk-Zerstörer '110's. 37mm cannon, four MG's and a single W. Gr. Mortar under each wing... Same 37mm cannon, but two MG 151/20 instead for the four smaller MG's, also with a single W. Gr. Mortar under each wing....heavy punch this one me think! Have no idea as to which Geschwader any of the two belong to.... __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

09-24-2009, 03:19 AM	#2
GrauGeist Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Redding, California Posts: 3,346	Not a very common sight, that combination... The quality of the photos are sort of frustrating...it'll make a unit I.D. pretty difficult __________________ "Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future." - Marcus Aurelius, Emperor of Rome > I Support Doug Gillis <

09-24-2009, 06:31 AM	#3
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,121	True mate! __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

09-24-2009, 03:37 PM	#4
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,770	ZG 76 you own me a good German Bier. ZG 26, 76 and 1 experimented with different cannon and rocket setups to find the perfect match, they never did......... the 3.7cm was very short term as it vibrated so bad and was not accurate enough even at long ranges where the B-17/B-24 return fire could not hit them. You can well imagine the flying characteristics with this overblown thing under the fuselage and then when it fired. I have pics galore now to find and post them. the first pic is the designcfirst used finding the 4 mg 17's did not have the range nor the punch to tear apart the US heavies, probably in the fall of 1943 where the second pic could of been late fall winter even into very early spring but usually the 3.7cm was removed by then replaced either by four 2cm in the nose or 3cm above (rare) and 2cm below and the addition (quite common and favored) of the small weapons package of two 2cm in a waffen pod under the belly am assuming this is the intro to your G-2 bomber killer model ?? __________________ Rip it up !

09-24-2009, 03:41 PM	#5
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,770	a couple pics for everyone's pleasure from ZG 76, note the wide yellow Reich Rumpfbnad __________________ Rip it up !

09-24-2009, 03:43 PM	#6
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,770	can't remember if this is another ZG 76 crate through a bad filter or one from II./ZG 1 nope it's from ZG 76 and it is yellow band note the code : M 8 __________________ Rip it up !

09-24-2009, 04:08 PM	#7
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,030	Great info and pics Erich, as always! __________________

09-24-2009, 05:17 PM	#9
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,490	Great stuff Erich as always... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

09-24-2009, 05:28 PM	#10
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,770	cool glad you guys are enjoying some old fotos......... anyone able to enlarge this one for this thread, some interesting notataions on it. __________________ Rip it up !

09-24-2009, 05:36 PM	#12
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,770	ok two more for today guys till I find the rest of the stash which is hidden is some dark funny corner going casual a Bf 110G-2 crew of ZG 26, note narrow white Rumpfband and one of my fav's been used in many books. circa: December 43-January 1944. a staffel of G-2's from II./ZG 1 on the hunt for 15th AF heavies over the Alpen note : 2Z + BP was shot down on a later sortie in combat, though the band looks yellow it is dirty white in part to the overspray of the light grey for winter use __________________ Rip it up ! Last edited by Erich; 09-24-2009 at 05:39 PM.

09-24-2009, 05:41 PM	#13
Micdrow “Archive” Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,850	This link might be of some interest to a few also. http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/oth...als-12902.html (Bf-110 Manuals) __________________ "Valor does not mean Hero."

09-24-2009, 05:58 PM	#14
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,770	if anyone can find the following, blue covers with black horizontal stripe Bf 110G-2 Flugzeug-handbuch d.(LUFT) T. 2110 G-2, Teil 8 A Scußwaffenanlage ( März 1943) ausgabe April 1943 this is a must have for all the G-2 enthusiaists yes all in German but still, I also have an 8 page introductory segment all in English with breif descriptions on the details of the arms systems used. now the nice booklet may be on the net somewhere, Micdrow may have found the spot already. .............. . __________________ Rip it up !

09-24-2009, 06:11 PM	#15
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,770	a little background on an unknown air battle with II./ZG 1 in participation done up by friend P. Kassak as resercher 456th Bomb Group Association: Miller / Hightshoe Crash __________________ Rip it up !

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