Canberra's.....

[Cromwell]

BTW is this going back to the old discussion of unreliable US made 20mm cannon ? There is some discussion here in quite a lot of detail :-

CANNON, MACHINE GUNS AND AMMUNITION

Brownings Never Die !

It is also interesting that the Brit Army recently bought some 50 cal Brownings for use in Iraq - what a gun !

Same design for, what, 75 years now ?

Originally Posted by pbfoot

The USAF did use some 20mm Sabres in Korea it was a trial thing and they mixed the birds in with the 50cal versions as not to give away the fact the 86's were 20mm armed

[Cromwell]

I have heard of 'Scrappage' (horrible made-up word) - but this is something else !

I also heard you could get Sea Harriers minus radar for a song - ditto Jaguars

Terrible waste of public money - but then MPs know all about that one (ahem)

Originally Posted by Airframes

Believe it or not, I actually owned a complete Canberra for a couple of days!
After the Falklands conflict of 1982, there were a small number, 6 or 8 IIRC, laying up at the BAe airfield at Salmsebury, in Lancashire, UK, where they'd been refurbished and prepared for an export order to Argentina. Of course, the 'Falklands' kyboshed this, and the aircraft stood there until around 1987 or '88, when they were disposed of. As they had already, technically, been sold, the company, being Government owned, couldn't actually re-sell them, nor could they give them away. So, to get around the problem of half a dozen unwanted, ageing jet bombers sitting on the pan at the BAe field, they were offered to interested museums, preservation groups and so on, for the princely sum of, if my memory serves me, £1 !! This was the 'administration fee' to cover the paperwork! The problem was, there was a strict, and tight, time limit in which the aircraft had to be moved, which, of course, meant by road, as none of these had permits to fly, nor was it likely that type-rated crews would be found to fly them, even if they were airworthy after standing so long in the open.
Anyway, as BAe was one of my clients at the time, I bunged in my £1, and reserved one of the beasts! Of course, there was no way I had the time, or the means or expertise, to dismantle and move the aircraft, so I let a local garage, which had a small, private aircraft collection, have the Canberra!
Hopefully it's still standing behind the garage, with other 1950's and '60's jets. I moved from the area soon after, and haven't had a chance to go back to see if 'my' Canberra is still alive and well. I'd like to think it is!

[Lucky13]

Maybe should build a "Terry Can" then....? The Cans for night intruder missions like those from the No. 3, 14, 16, 88 and 213 Squadrons looks cool, black lower and green/grey upper fuselage, not to mention the all black of some of them!
Any ideas what the FS number is for that one....FS:36314, FS:26270 and FS 26173 for the grey, FS:16064 for the green, I take it that the black is the usual Night Black, FS:37038 right?

[Lucky13]

Not a bad cockpit as such, but somewhat simple panels, miss some instrument detail...









Trying to make sense of Airfix to Vallejo colours....

[Wayne Little]

With some careful painting and drybrushing you can turn it into something special Jan!

[Lucky13]

Will do my best old chap....with all you guys help, how can I fail? Just need some decent cockpit pics.



Edit: Found this cockpit from an Hypescale build, it's the CA's crate.....gives me at least some colous to work on.

[Airframes]

That's more or less right Jan, although there were differences between bomber/PR/Intruder, and the control column yoke should be more semi gloss black, with a bit of paint wear all around. As mentioned in our phone chat, I'll try and get some cockpit shots for you, unless Gary (GeeDee) can do us a favour at Cockpit Fest this year? I doubt I'll be able to get there if my Jeep is sold.
BTW, Harriers were going for around £7,500, delivered, by air (!), at a little extra. These were GR3's. The Jaguars were around the same price, less engines and avionics I believe. A Jaguar has just 'gone' on E-Bay for £15K. The guy I used to do the Corporate Days for was going to buy a couple of each, but left it too late, as he was also bidding for more armoured vehicles.

[Lucky13]

Riiight.....after a lengthy debate on wire with Terry, I've decided to do as follow:

Canberra PR.9, No. 13 Squadron.
Canberra B.2/B.20/B.65/B(I)6, No. 213 Squadron, Bruggen, Germany, 1969.
Canberra B(I)8, still do be decided.

[Airframes]

Ho ho, loads of tiny stencil decals I see! That'll keep you out of the pub for a while! Er, no, it probably won't!

[Lucky13]

True old chap. I can do either of two things,

1. I take the Canberra with me to the pub and do the decals there.
2. I take the pint/dram with me home.

[Cromwell]

Originally Posted by Airframes

That's more or less right Jan, although there were differences between bomber/PR/Intruder, and the control column yoke should be more semi gloss black, with a bit of paint wear all around. As mentioned in our phone chat, I'll try and get some cockpit shots for you, unless Gary (GeeDee) can do us a favour at Cockpit Fest this year? I doubt I'll be able to get there if my Jeep is sold.
BTW, Harriers were going for around £7,500, delivered, by air (!), at a little extra. These were GR3's. The Jaguars were around the same price, less engines and avionics I believe. A Jaguar has just 'gone' on E-Bay for £15K. The guy I used to do the Corporate Days for was going to buy a couple of each, but left it too late, as he was also bidding for more armoured vehicles.

Oh well, let's buy a couple of Jags and a GR3 and start our own little COIN airforce for hire to the nearest South American Despot

... and delivered by air - that would churn up the lawn a bit, wouldn't it ?


BTW 2 Questions Mr Airframe !!

1. What do you do for a living please might I ask ?

2. How much for a Sea Harrier FA2 (aka FRS2 which sounded a lot better imho)

[Airframes]

Hi Cromwell. To answer your second question first, I'm not sure if the MoD released the Sea Harriers for disposal by tender through the normal invited/registered 'buyers' channels, but I'll try to find out. The Harrier GR3's went at such a relatively low cost because they were old airframes, having been in service for over 30 years!
For a living? Regretably, I'm 'retired' due to disability. However, at one time I was in the military (SF), followed by a career in the photographic and printing trade. After redundancy, and at 'that age' where finding another, equivalent full-time job is near impossible, I started a small business to market my Avaition paintings, drawings and profiles etc. This was seriously affected by a certain high-street framing company going t*ts up, owing me a fair amount of money, and followed soon after by the crippling effects of Rheumatoid Arthritis. Until just over a year ago, I was involved in military themed Corporate Entertainment days, and similar events, including S.A.S. 'experience' and 'survival' weekends, and also did some after dinner talks, and lectures/demonstrations on small arms. The former I had to cease, as the Arthritis progresed, but the latter I still manage to do occasionally, and, fortunately, I am still able to paint and draw, albeit with greater difficulty.
Hope that answers things?

[Cromwell]

Originally Posted by Airframes

Hi Cromwell. To answer your second question first, I'm not sure if the MoD released the Sea Harriers for disposal by tender through the normal invited/registered 'buyers' channels, but I'll try to find out. The Harrier GR3's went at such a relatively low cost because they were old airframes, having been in service for over 30 years!
For a living? Regretably, I'm 'retired' due to disability. However, at one time I was in the military (SF), followed by a career in the photographic and printing trade. After redundancy, and at 'that age' where finding another, equivalent full-time job is near impossible, I started a small business to market my Avaition paintings, drawings and profiles etc. This was seriously affected by a certain high-street framing company going t*ts up, owing me a fair amount of money, and followed soon after by the crippling effects of Rheumatoid Arthritis. Until just over a year ago, I was involved in military themed Corporate Entertainment days, and similar events, including S.A.S. 'experience' and 'survival' weekends, and also did some after dinner talks, and lectures/demonstrations on small arms. The former I had to cease, as the Arthritis progresed, but the latter I still manage to do occasionally, and, fortunately, I am still able to paint and draw, albeit with greater difficulty.
Hope that answers things?

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[Airframes]

Thanks Mathew. I do try to take various exercises, in order to keep things 'moving' as it were. I have tried virtually everything going, and will never 'poo poo' any suggestions, if they have even the slightest chance of helping. This condition, now 'officially' recognised as a 'disease', is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, and is particularly hard to accept (or was) having been so supremely fit and active up the the age of 45, when it first struck. Almost cetainly as a result of past injuries and jungle infections, BTW.
It has progressed so muvh over the last year or so, that my Specialist Consultant has finally been able to gain approval to prescribe the new 'wonder drug', Humira, which is self-injected every two weeks. this is so expensive, at around £12,000 PA I believe, that the 'Powers that Be' will only authorise it, or so it seems, as a last resort.
Fortunately, after using it now for 2 months, it seems to be taking effect, and it's not so difficult, or agonisingly painful, to get around, although, of course, the damage already done will never repair itself. I'll still have a permanently locked right knee, and my left hand will still only function at about 30%, or less, being totally inflexible (volunatrily) in the fingers, with my right hand being about 90 to 95% 'normal'. But, I'm still alive, and (almost) kicking, and otherwise healthy.
There are a heck of a lot of people worse off than me, so I can't complain, but it would be nice to be able to walk in the hills again.

[Cromwell]

Originally Posted by Airframes

Thanks Mathew. I do try to take various exercises, in order to keep things 'moving' as it were. I have tried virtually everything going, and will never 'poo poo' any suggestions, if they have even the slightest chance of helping. This condition, now 'officially' recognised as a 'disease', is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, and is particularly hard to accept (or was) having been so supremely fit and active up the the age of 45, when it first struck. Almost cetainly as a result of past injuries and jungle infections, BTW.
It has progressed so muvh over the last year or so, that my Specialist Consultant has finally been able to gain approval to prescribe the new 'wonder drug', Humira, which is self-injected every two weeks. this is so expensive, at around £12,000 PA I believe, that the 'Powers that Be' will only authorise it, or so it seems, as a last resort.
Fortunately, after using it now for 2 months, it seems to be taking effect, and it's not so difficult, or agonisingly painful, to get around, although, of course, the damage already done will never repair itself. I'll still have a permanently locked right knee, and my left hand will still only function at about 30%, or less, being totally inflexible (volunatrily) in the fingers, with my right hand being about 90 to 95% 'normal'. But, I'm still alive, and (almost) kicking, and otherwise healthy.
There are a heck of a lot of people worse off than me, so I can't complain, but it would be nice to be able to walk in the hills again.

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