 | My First Attempt at Armour, The Panther Panzer KampfwagenV Ausf A....| Modeling Discuss My First Attempt at Armour, The Panther Panzer KampfwagenV Ausf A.... in the Current forums; Looks like we're gonna go with 1. SS-Panzer-Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler, as it did participate in ... |
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03-23-2008, 07:58 PM
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#226 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country:  | Looks like we're gonna go with 1. SS-Panzer-Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler, as it did participate in the Normandie/Ardennes operations, whereas 3. SS-Panzer-Division Totenkopf was on the Eastern Front during 1944....
Thanks for the assist Jan....
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03-23-2008, 08:01 PM
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Country: | Now the question is, where does that Key decal belong on the tank???
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03-23-2008, 08:55 PM
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Country:  | Finding a photo that has the placement will be the key....looking for you... | |
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03-24-2008, 02:54 AM
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Country:  | Front armor me think....drivers side. Anytime Les...as I said, research is half the fun!
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03-25-2008, 04:03 PM
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03-25-2008, 06:52 PM
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Country: | Freakin awesome Wayne, thanks again so much.....
I have been unsuccessful in finding out where the key logo/symbol/unit designator belongs on the tank....
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03-26-2008, 04:40 AM
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Country:  | Hi Les,
I've tried to find some pics for you but unsuccessfully.However,according to my knowledge about german tanks it was very,very rare for Panthers to carry units emblems later in the war.I think that it was because of covering armour plates with Zimmerit.Besides many units were moved from Western front to Eastern one and back.So it was a good camouflage and a kind of disinformation.
Generally all unit symbols were painted on front plates on left side mostly. Like in the B&W pic with Panther ausf A of Totenkopf division.Other colour shots show also the position.I've found only one shot of a symbol unit on the turret sides but it was for Eastern front but not for Western one.The Panther in the last pic is from a museum and has a unit emblems on right what occured rarely as well.
I hope it will help a bit.
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Country: | Awesome stuff Wojtek, exactly what I/we've been looking for, Thank You...
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03-26-2008, 06:28 AM
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Country: | Wurger, seems you have nailed it, I still haven't found any with unit markings, plenty of Tigers with the 'Key' marking though, left hand side!...
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03-26-2008, 06:36 AM
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Country: | You are welcome Dan. 
And yes Wayne.It's true.Plenty of Tigers and PzKpfw III and IV with these symbols but no Panther with.But as I said it was really rare for PzKpfw V.Besides if these were painted by crews, mud and dust could made them unvisible.
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Country:  | I agree Wojtek, especially as they were mostly white.
I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but the majority of german tank unit markings were based on the German runes. I was always interested in runic symbols, but even I never clicked till it was pointed out to me by an Austrian man who was a soldier during the second world war.
The symbol of the 'key' is associated with good luck, will check my books at home though to see if there was a more specifc meaning. | |
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03-26-2008, 11:42 AM
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03-26-2008, 03:31 PM
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03-27-2008, 05:46 AM
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Country: | Couldn't find my books yet, but looked at that symbol yesterday afternoon. It's not the 'key' I was thinking of, but Algiz, the rune of protection.
My friend's grandfather (the Austrian soldier) told me the horizontal strokes were added to represent the division number, in this case 3 strokes (3rd division) giving it that 'key' effect.
Interestingly, invert the rune (without the strokes) and put a circle around it - familiar?? One of the attributes of this rune. | |
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03-27-2008, 04:35 PM
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Just found this little snippet..
Late-war years
On 1943-02-18, it was ordered that all vehicles were to be painted in a base coat Dunkelgelb nach Muster (except for small equipment pieces, which were to retain the former colours). Over this, a camouflage pattern of Olivgrün (an RLM colour), Rotbraun RAL 8017 and Dunkelgelb nach Muster consisting of stripes was to be applied by the maintenance sections, according to the terrain. For this purpose, the paint was delivered as a paste, which could then be thinned with most liquids, and applied. Dunkelgelb nach Muster was later re-named Dunkelgelb RAL 7028, and Olivgrü was re-named Olivgrün RAL 6003.
| So does this mean that the colors I am getting ready to use are wrong for a Panther A in Normandy??? What color is Rotbraun, red brown??? Instead of the Choc Brown???
Testors Panzer Dunkelgelb (Dark Yellow) 1943 TES2095
Testors Schokoladenbraun (Chocolate Brown) 1943 RAL 8017 TES2096
Testors Panzer Olivgrun (Olive Green) 1943 TES2097
Wayne, if u would be so kind, what colors am I going to be needing to do this right??? I already got the Dark Yel, Choc Brown and Olive Green figured in, what else am I gonna need???
For weathering??? I use aluminum on my aircraft to show wear and tear, what about the tank??? Steel???
Wait until I start asking about how to make fake mud...
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