My Next Endeavour, Hasegawa's 1:32nd Fw 190D-9....

[Heinz]

With Jason

[lesofprimus]

Still lookin for advice on this kit tho... Wayne, Wojtek???

In going through my limited resources, I cant find a reference to Dortenmanns Red 1 from JG 54, its all about his Yellow 1 that he flew from his JG 26 days till the end of the War.... So....

Yellow 1 is the option I'd go with, and I like the camo scheme better than on Red 1....

[Lucky13]

Here you go buddy....different views on your 1/32 Hasegawa Fw 190D-9.

Focke-Wulf Fw 190D-9 Review by Jerry Crandall (Hasegawa 1/32)

Hasegawa 1/32 Fw-190D-9

Hasegawa 1/32 Fw-190D-9

Hasegawa 1/32 FW-190D-9 by Bob Laskodi

Hasegawa 1/32 Fw-190D-9

Hasegawa 1/32 FW-190D-9, by Tom Cleaver

And....The Luftwaffe in Scale: Hans Dortenmann’s Focke Wulf Fw 190 D-9

Focke-Wulf Fw 190D-9 by Chris Wauchop (Hasegawa 1/32) This is Dortemann's D-9....

[Wayne Little]

I'm yet to build one so can't offer up much on the kit itself, build wise, but it shares some bits from the A-8 and from taking a good look at it, it should be no better or worse to build than the A-8..in short a straight forward build.

Do you have the Eagle Editions Dora 9 book?

yellow 1's 'Yellow tail is the same as Red 1 not just the rudder.

[lesofprimus]

On EC #21 Wayne, the camo jobs are different, as well as the red vs yellow numbering.... Is it the same wrk number, just repainted after his transfer to JG26???

I found this snippit on one of the links Lucky provided:

"The kit decals, at least as far as the two aircraft from the Papagei Staffel are concerned, are inaccurate and best replaced with the aftermarket sheet "Doras of the Galland Circus" produced by Eagle-Editions."

Anyone hear of this before???? What are the differences I wonder???

[Lucky13]

The RED 13 are in a different shape from each side Dan....that's the mistake that they've done before, making the 13 similar on both sides....

[lesofprimus]

Found some info out on the Hasegawa dacals and their "incorrectness"...

"I know most modelers hate Hasegawa decals, but I used them and want to report that those included with this kit represent a quantum leap in improvement over previous Hasegawa decals. Several “experten” have stated that they are “wrong” for Sachsenberg’s (Red1) aircraft so I did a little research to find out what was “wrong” with them. I identified two “issues” with the kit decals: 1) the bottom striping on the JV44 aircraft was done somewhat haphazardly and they were not of equal width as is found on the Hasegawa decals; and 2) there are two “typos” on the humorous German saying on the fuselage side consisting of a grand total of two letters!

Well, I knew that there was no way the white stripes would cover the red (I have yet to find any white decals that are opaque enough to not turn “pink” atop a red base) plus it is far easier to paint these stripes than rely on decals. So I cut my masking tape strips using the old MK.I eyeball to provide a bit of variety in the tape width. Problem #1 solved quite easily. With regards to the “typo’s”, aftermarket decals are provided for by Eagle Cals (to name one) to correct the “wrong” German inscription on the side. So I had the choice to spend $15 on decals to correct two letters or buy a 12-pack of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. Unfortunately, I was quite thirsty when I made the decision so guess which one I decided (yum, yum, yum, the beer was quite cold and very good!). Seriously, the Hasegawa decals are very good and if you are not interested in spending a whole lot of beer money I’d stick with them. But “your mileage may vary” so if you’d rather not drink valuable beer, be my guest and buy aftermarket."

[Lucky13]

Here you see the different shape of the 13's on Eagle's decal sheet....the correct ones...

[lesofprimus]

U keep saying Red 13 Lucky, and I dont have the instructions or decals for 13... Its either Red 1 or 3, and I like Sachsenbergs Red 1 better...

As far as Dortenmanns crate goes, I like Black 1 the best with the Wavy Gruppe symbol the best....

[lesofprimus]

[lesofprimus]

While there is no record of these aircraft ever entering combat against Allied fighters, they - like everything involving JV-44 - have become the subject of enduring interest by modelers around the world. The unit had a sense of humor, since each aircraft had an amusing "dark humor" slogan on it. "Red 1," a Fw-190D-9 carried the slogan "Verkaafts mei Gwand 'I foahr in Himmel" ("Sell my clothes, I'm going to heaven") flown by Staffel Kapitaen Sachsenberg; "Red 3," a Fw-190D-9: "Im Auftrage der Reichsbahn" ("By Order of the State Railway") a reference to the fact a shot-down pilot could travel free on the state railways to rejoin his unit; Red 4, a Fw-190D-11: "Der nachste Herr,deselbe Dame!" ("The next man, the same woman"); and "Red 13," a Fw-190D-9: "Rein muss er wen wir beide weinen" ("In he goes and then we both cry").

[Lucky13]

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

U keep saying Red 13 Lucky, and I dont have the instructions or decals for 13... Its either Red 1 or 3, and I like Sachsenbergs Red 1 better...

As far as Dortenmanns crate goes, I like Black 1 the best with the Wavy Gruppe symbol the best....

That's alright then mate.... I only knew the mistakes made with 13, had no idea about the ones made on 1....
I've got Eagle's sheet for the four of them, in 1/48, would look great with the lot of them sitting on a shelf, eh?
As with 13, you know my obsession with that # on "my" aircrafts...
I'd do the 1, for Sachsenberg, if I were you...

[lesofprimus]

Ya, I remember ur infatuation with 13 man, and I love ur idea of doin nothing but #13 for models....

Havin all 4 on a shelf would indeed look badass.... But as far as can be recalled, not a single aircraft was confirmed shot down by one of these red bellied Zirkus Platsschutzstaffel of JV-44....

However:

It appears that Jagdverband 44's last victory may have been scored by Hptm. Faber while flying Rote 13, who claimed a P-47 shot down over Bad Abling while on a flight to pick up some whiskey! This victory is purported to have occurred on May 4th, one day after JV 44's Me 262's were blown up in the face of the U.S. 3rd. Armored Division at Salzburg*Maxglan. We so far have been unable to confirm this claim against U.S. 9th Tactical Air Force losses listings, though other sources have yet to be reviewed.

[Lucky13]

Not a single kill for the "Papagei Staffeln" of JV44...!? I'm not halfway through my "JV44 - The Galland Circus" by Forsyth...
I thought that they'd at least have a few kills....I'm surprised.



The for known members of the real Sachsenberg Squadron..
From left: Lt Karl-Heinz Hofmann, Lt Heinz Sachsenberg,
Hptm Waldemar Wubke, Oblt Klaus Faber....

[lesofprimus]

There may be a smattering of victory claims here and there, like the one I posted above, but as the records I could find indicate, Sachsehberg had ZERO kills in his red kite....

On 3 March 1945, he had raised his victory total to 103 victories when he shot down P-51 over Hungary. On 16 April Sachsenberg shot down a P-39 for his 104th and last victory.

Later, Sachsenberg transferred to JG 7 to fly Me 262 jet fighters. Here, he briefly led 9./JG 7 before joining JV 44 in April 1945. Sachsenberg was tasked with setting up a Platzschutzstaffel, flying Fw 190 D-9 fighters, to protect the Me 262s during their most vulnerable phases - take-off and landing. The unit was variously known as the Sachsenberg-Schwarm or the Papagei Staffel. Sachsenberg died of complications from the wounds he received during the war on 17 June 1951.
“Wimmersal” Sachsenberg flew 520 missions in recording 104 aerial victories. All but one of his victories were recorded on the Eastern Front.

Aces of the Luftwaffe - Heinz Sachsenberg

If ur reading the book man, spill some of the details about the Platzschutzstaffel... Hurry up and get to the parts that matter to ME dammit!!!