Trainbusting, Tankbusting, antishipping....KG's and ZG's? - Page 2 - Aircraft of World War II

Lucky13 · 09-12-2009, 06:00 PM

Thanks Harrison!

B-17engineer · 09-12-2009, 06:05 PM

I thought that was one article out of an Osprey book not the whole book!

And Rudel the famous Stuka pilot had some train kills to his credit I believe... !

Glider · 09-13-2009, 12:28 AM

I admit to finding it difficult to believe that the He111 attacked the trains themselves. I say this as the He111 is a big slow target and trains tended to be well defended, anyone with an LMG could hardly miss such a target at 20m altitude. To lose 9 in 5000 sorties is an extordinarily low loss ratio.
Would it be more likely that they were used to attack the track, I have read that Ju88's were often used in this role.

Lucky13 · 11-07-2009, 03:27 PM

....and this in a He 111!!

Oblt Alfred Veith, 5/KG-55, He 111H, He ended the war with 400 combat missions, including the destruction of 27 locomotives, 24 AC on the ground and 16 tanks.

Erich · 11-07-2009, 08:43 PM

no it was flying low on the horizon and firing up the trains with 2cm weapons. no bombs carried as far as I know

Civettone · 11-09-2009, 12:47 PM

I am not surprised. The He 111 was an excellent aircraft and its performance was close to that of the Ju 88. If we had been talking about a Ju 88 no one would have surprised!

Kris

Maximowitz · 11-09-2009, 01:24 PM

7 Staffel was the trainbusting component of KG 51... Ju 88 C- 6's if I remember correctly.

Lucky13 · 11-09-2009, 01:29 PM

Those fellas could really make a good day turn not so good....

Civettone · 11-09-2009, 06:41 PM

LOL !

Yeah imagine a whole bunch of soldiers finally relieved from the front, on their way to some remote place along the Black Sea for some much needed R&R ... and then this aircraft comes out of nowhere ... Yikes !

Kris

Lucky13 · 01-08-2010, 12:55 PM

Does any number exist for how much tonnage that the '88 and the '111 destroyed or damaged? Also, which Geschwader was the most successful one?

09-12-2009, 06:00 PM	#16
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 17,331	Thanks Harrison! __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

09-12-2009, 06:05 PM	#17
B-17engineer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Jersey..The Garden State! Posts: 9,214	I thought that was one article out of an Osprey book not the whole book! And Rudel the famous Stuka pilot had some train kills to his credit I believe... ! __________________ Sh! I'm hunting Wabits! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe36UMRkRbk

11-07-2009, 03:27 PM	#19
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 17,331	....and this in a He 111!! Oblt Alfred Veith, 5/KG-55, He 111H, He ended the war with 400 combat missions, including the destruction of 27 locomotives, 24 AC on the ground and 16 tanks. __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

11-07-2009, 08:43 PM	#20
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,113	no it was flying low on the horizon and firing up the trains with 2cm weapons. no bombs carried as far as I know __________________ Rip it up !

11-09-2009, 12:47 PM	#21
Civettone Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Limburg Posts: 1,299	I am not surprised. The He 111 was an excellent aircraft and its performance was close to that of the Ju 88. If we had been talking about a Ju 88 no one would have surprised! Kris __________________

09-13-2009, 12:28 AM	#18
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,918	I admit to finding it difficult to believe that the He111 attacked the trains themselves. I say this as the He111 is a big slow target and trains tended to be well defended, anyone with an LMG could hardly miss such a target at 20m altitude. To lose 9 in 5000 sorties is an extordinarily low loss ratio. Would it be more likely that they were used to attack the track, I have read that Ju88's were often used in this role.

11-09-2009, 01:24 PM	#22
Maximowitz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London, England. Posts: 1,150	7 Staffel was the trainbusting component of KG 51... Ju 88 C- 6's if I remember correctly. __________________ Maj. Dietrich Puttfarken II./KG 51

11-09-2009, 01:29 PM	#23
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 17,331	Those fellas could really make a good day turn not so good.... __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

11-09-2009, 06:41 PM	#24
Civettone Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Limburg Posts: 1,299	LOL ! Yeah imagine a whole bunch of soldiers finally relieved from the front, on their way to some remote place along the Black Sea for some much needed R&R ... and then this aircraft comes out of nowhere ... Yikes ! Kris __________________

01-08-2010, 12:55 PM	#25
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 17,331	Does any number exist for how much tonnage that the '88 and the '111 destroyed or damaged? Also, which Geschwader was the most successful one? __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

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