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05-24-2005, 12:47 PM
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#76 | | Der Crewchief
Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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Country:  | No I dont see that happening. The airframe is just not strong eneogh anymore. It was fine when it was the original Apache. Plus the systems are too complicated for the aircraft now. It takes 15 minutes just to wind up the weapons systems and if the airconditioners that cool the computers and systems fail then it is lost, you can not work anything because they overheat and then basically all you have is a 2 seat very expensive joy ride.
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05-24-2005, 01:14 PM
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#77 | | Master of Ewes
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 19,959
Country:  | yes CC the apache aint exactly new, if they aint worked out the proplems yet, they aint gonna.........
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05-24-2005, 01:24 PM
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#78 | | Der Crewchief
Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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Country: | The problems were pretty much solved on the A model but then they go and throw in even more advanced stuff including a glass cockpit into it. It can only go so far. Dont take me wrong it is still the best attack helicopter out there but it is getting old real fast. I dont know how many times we had to go out and rescue apaches in Iraq. I remember one time we flew out the Apache mechanics to fix one that broke at a Foward Operating Base in Iraq and after they got it fixed and they were running up to fly back home, the whole transmission dumped all of its transmission oil out the back of the aircraft. Needless to say the thing did not fly home that day.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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06-27-2005, 10:53 AM
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#79 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Auburn,Alabama; USA
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Country:  | I voted for the Blackhawk but Mosquitoman was right. If it wasnt for the Huey we wouldnt have had good helicopters today. Besides i like the huey because it was the work horse of Vietnam! Hoorah! :P
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06-27-2005, 03:14 PM
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#80 | | Der Crewchief
Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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Country: | I agree I love the Huey. My dad flew the Huey for most of his career in the Army. I wanted Huey's but they made me go Blackhawks. But I have to say she did not dissapoint me, she is a great aircraft!
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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06-27-2005, 10:17 PM
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#81 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA
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Country: | I know Adler you love your Blackhawk, but I'll say the Huey seems a little simpler (obviously). I worked on Hueys since 95' and for the most part, just make sure they're greased, there's oil in the 42 and 90 degree gearboxes, the transmission is in good shape and the engine passes the hitt test and it seem they're gonna fly forever!
When I was in the Navy Resreve there was a unit that had Seahawks right next to my squadron. It seemed these guys always busted hump to keep their birds flying. When my old shop supervisor made Chief, he asked me if I wanted to go over to that squadron. I'm not lazy, but when I seen those guys working all hours to keep those Seahawks up, I said thanks, but no thanks!
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06-28-2005, 09:20 AM
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#82 | | Der Crewchief
Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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Country: | Oh do not take me wrong. I love the Huey. It is actually what I wanted, but the army would not let me anymore because they are phasing them out.
You are correct the Huey is far more simple and that is what made it a great aircraft. There was not much on it to break and she will deffinatly keep flying for many many more years to come. She is more then likely the best helicopter to ever fly. Hell the first prototype flew in 1954 come on that is 51 years of service all over the world. She is still today the most used aircraft in the world.
The problem with the Seahawk is she based off of the old UH-60A and even in the army they can be a pain to work on. There are just too many systems and the more you have the more that can break. The UH-60L, HH-60L, and the UH-60M that are being built today have been made better from what was learned from the UH-60A and now are much less susceptable to break. They do still break more than the Huey though obviously. I believe the Navy is also getting a newer Seahawk now also.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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07-12-2005, 12:33 PM
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#83 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London
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| The one that I like the most is the Wasp/Scout because they were so overengineered they seemed almost unbreakable. One saying was that if you could pour it and set fire to it, a Wasp would run on it.
Best I think the Lynx takes some beating. Speed, agility and a decent load carrying ability. Could have done a realy good attack version with a little imagination (thinking HueyCobra). | |
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07-12-2005, 03:15 PM
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#84 | | Der Crewchief
Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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Country: | The aircrat that can take the most beating is the UH-1 Huey. You could literally fly her into the ground and she would keep going. There were Huey's in Vietnam that took rockets and kept going. She brought so many people home when they had nothing left.
Pretty much as long as you take care of a Huey she will take care of you.
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07-12-2005, 03:21 PM
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#85 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA
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Country: | My brother survived a crash in one. A heavy round split the helicopter in 2 at the firewall!
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07-12-2005, 03:25 PM
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#86 | | Der Crewchief
Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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Country: | Damn. One of our older pilots had a cyclic hardover in one. The other pilot was killed and he got cut pretty bad on the neck. Now he flies Hawks and misses his Huey.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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07-12-2005, 03:34 PM
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#87 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA
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Country: | Can't beat a Huey!
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07-12-2005, 04:11 PM
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#88 | | Konfused with a 'K'
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Turin, Italy
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Country:  | Huey's are the definitive Helicopters in my eyes.
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07-12-2005, 04:15 PM
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#89 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | Mine too!
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07-12-2005, 04:17 PM
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#90 | | "Shooter"
Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA
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Country: | I've said it before, J, I will say it again...You get to have all the fun!
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