Best Special forces

lesofprimus · 04-23-2006, 09:00 PM

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les what did you think of the South African guys?

Excellent operators, knew their weapons and tactics very well, liked drinking Uzo waaaaayyyy too much....

Wildcat · 04-23-2006, 09:18 PM

Les did you do much training with the Aussie SAS? or even the Navy Clearance divers?

Hunter368 · 04-23-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonskimmer

Is he JTF, or something else? If so, what the hell is he doing talking to you about his training?

That is unless...you're some kinda Rambo type too.

He is or was (not sure right now) some kind of underwater (deepsea) rescue / underwater explosive specialist. He has told me about some of his operations (I don't think any of them are secrets but not sure), if he did anything that was hush hush he would not tell me, he is by the book guy from what I can tell, hardcore military guy. He has been in the military for about 18-19 years now, wow times flies.

On a funny note once I was at a bar with him and a group of his buddies (from the military also) and they almost started a bar brawl b/c there was some Army guys in the bar also and one of them was making out with some chick while he was in uniform and my cousin and his friends thought that was wrong to be doing in uniform. So they not so nicely told the guy to stop. The two sides faced off (me standing among all these 200-240lbs navy guys lol), until the Army officer told his men to back off (and told the guy making out with the chick to stop). It was close to a whole bar brawl, it was funny. We laughed about that one more than once.

He told me of training with US Seals but only in general terms, most of which I forget now. He impressions of them was of the highest regard, he said he loved training with them and would do it again if he had the chance in a second.

And noooo I am not a Rambo of anykind. I have trained for years in hand-hand combat, TMA and MMA but no soldier. I love getting on a mat and fighting. I love to learn about anything to do with hand to hand combat, it is a passion of mine. I wish I could train in MMA 10 hours a day, but sadly I can't. Not to mention I am getting older, 36 now. My dream would be to train with some of the top MMA in the world as well as combat troops (SAS, US Seals, etc only in hand to hand combat). But I would first have to win the lottery. Fighting on the mat does not pay my bills or feed my wife and daughter.

lesofprimus · 04-23-2006, 09:45 PM

I have worked with the Aussie SAS before, but still classified..

Nonskimmer · 04-23-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunter368

He is or was (not sure right now) some kind of underwater (deepsea) rescue / underwater explosive specialist. He has told me about some of his operations (I don't think any of them are secrets but not sure), if he did anything that was hush hush he would not tell me, he is by the book guy from what I can tell, hardcore military guy. He has been in the military for about 18-19 years now, wow times flies.

He's a clearance diver by the sound of it. Their physical training is the toughest anywhere. I've been led to believe it's on par with that of special forces, including the US Navy SEALs (minus the hand-to-hand and small arms stuff of course), so it's probably no surprise then that he did some training with them. My wife's cousin is a bubble head too. Those guys can get a little nuts.

Hunter368 · 04-23-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonskimmer

He's a clearance diver by the sound of it. Their physical training is the toughest anywhere. I've been led to believe it's on par with that of special forces, including the US Navy SEALs (minus the hand-to-hand and small arms stuff of course), so it's probably no surprise then that he did some training with them. My wife's cousin is a bubble head too. Those guys can get a little nuts.

Ok thanks.

Its been 7 years since I have seen him in person. Only via email do we talk now, b/c he has been in UK training for years. He has now moved back to Canada on the east coast. Maybe one day he and I can sit down and talk more about his career.

Yes he can be nuts, I have heard a few stories of his and they make me laugh. Hardcore comes to mind when I think of him. He has told me how tough his training has been and he is in very good condition when ever I have seen him, not much if any fat on him. But even he said how tough the US Seal training was, but he loved ever second of it. He had alot of respect for those men.

Not sure what year it was but I am sure you will know NS when that airliner went down off the east coast of Canada. He was one of the guys diving down to the plane and pulling bodies out of the ocean. He said it was pretty sick sight to see, many dead.

evangilder · 04-23-2006, 10:40 PM

I will have to go with Les on this and say it depends on the mission. For good all around force, and when the fit hits the shan, the US Navy SEALs are top in my book, but then, they got my ass out of a jam many years ago. The Israelis were damn hardcore as well. If you have a downed pilot that needs to be picked up, the USAF PJs are professional soldiers of the highest caliber.

The SAS guys that I ran into in various capacities were also good. I also ran across German commandos in various places. I saw them in action on a few occasions and they were in and out with a high degree of success and lethality. Koreans were some crazy mofos.

I don't think that it is possible to keep national bias out of it, especially if you have worked with them. I give a nod to ANY special operations warrior. They all have tough jobs to do and all of the ones that I have seen and/or worked with have all been top notch guys. There are no dirtbags in spec-ops.

Wildcat · 04-24-2006, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by lesofprimus

I have worked with the Aussie SAS before, but still classified..

Righto, nuff said!

Nonskimmer · 04-24-2006, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hunter368

Not sure what year it was but I am sure you will know NS when that airliner went down off the east coast of Canada. He was one of the guys diving down to the plane and pulling bodies out of the ocean. He said it was pretty sick sight to see, many dead.

That was in '98 off Peggy's Cove, not far from Halifax. I know a few guys who pulled the bodies out, and yes it was pretty grotesque. I helped to set up one of the makeshift morgues. That was a helluva crash.

Glider · 04-24-2006, 06:21 AM

I have a relation who worked with special forces in Ireland, but he didn't say which ones. He wasn't special forces but was in bomb disposal and worked with them. If they received word of a bomb in a pub club whatever, they used to go in dressed as civilians to check it out before the Army officially turned up. He would look the place over for the bomb, and special forces would act as 'minders. and look for the ambush. On a number of occaisions the locals twigged as they obviously weren't local but rarely gave the game away because they knew they were there to help. As the bombers didn't bomb there own places they didn't know who the locals were.

One thing that suprised me was when he told me that the majority of the special forces people weren't the large muscular types, often they were smaller and lean.

His party piece these days is to hold a conversation with himself in different Irish accents, doesn't sound funny but its hysterical.

lesofprimus · 04-24-2006, 06:36 AM

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One thing that suprised me was when he told me that the majority of the special forces people weren't the large muscular types, often they were smaller and lean.

What weird is that making the cut into Spec War Operations usually has nothing to do with ur size, but with ur willpower, self-motivation and ability to ignore pain....

I worked with guys that were 5'5" 160 lbs and 6'5" 225 lbs.... There was no common size... There were 3 big guys like myself in my BUD/s class, 2 of us made it through...

syscom3 · 04-24-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by lesofprimus

What weird is that making the cut into Spec War Operations usually has nothing to do with ur size, but with ur willpower, self-motivation and ability to ignore pain....

I worked with guys that were 5'5" 160 lbs and 6'5" 225 lbs.... There was no common size... There were 3 big guys like myself in my BUD/s class, 2 of us made it through...

General Eisenhower had a great saying.

"It isnt the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"

stonewall23 · 12-04-2006, 07:04 PM

The Irish army ranger wing is on a par with any special forces in the world.They are elite ,although a very small force in comparision to most other forces.They have operational experience in Liberia ,south Lebannon , Somalia, East Timor and Ireland .Unlike other forces the shun the limelight and do their job quietly and professionally.Most people are aware of units like the S.E.A.L 's and the S.A.S and are highly regarded ( and rightly so .).But other small nations have units which,although less well funded are equally professional.

Udet · 12-06-2006, 10:57 AM

While i am not here to say the special forces of the mexican army are some of "the best", click on the link to see a video of the independence day military parade held in mexico city this year. A friend of mine who has a brother in the mexican army sent the link to me. He told me these soldiers train in the U.S.A.

At least, the parade looks very neat.

YouTube - Fuerzas Especiales [Special Forces Brigades]

Hunter368 · 12-06-2006, 11:08 AM

Cool Udet