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03-17-2008, 01:39 PM
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03-17-2008, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Zarathos  VVS is not like USAF. They have different doctrine and their planes are built around that doctrine. Problem is, that Russia (and probably China) is only country that can use them as they were planned and build to be used.
For example USAF planes are made so, that they can be used with each others and work with help of AWACS above enemy territory. VVS planes are made to operate above their own territory (or fight areas) with heavy support of SAMs and ground based radars. USAF is "stay there, shoot, take fuel in the air and shot a little more". VVS is "land, intercept, shot, land".
Different planes, different tactics. One on one in neutral ground - probably USAF fighters will win 7 fights out of ten. One on ten (as russians made their fighters to fight) - SAF fighters will loos most fights. Wanna comapare fighters - compare them with all factors in mind. | \
Okay now please explain to me how that makes the F-22 inferior?
Oh and while you are at it, please go back to the Alpha sub thread and post that list of NATO ships sunk by Polish Subs.
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03-17-2008, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mkloby Pilot fodder! |
Sorry kloby, that was a little too close to home, wasn't it. 
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03-19-2008, 03:22 PM
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| In close combat the MiG 29 would be more than likely the better of the two.
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The MiG-29 has a few advantages over its more electronically advanced American counterparts. At about 40 miles apart, the American planes have the advantage because of avionics. At 10 miles the advantage is turning to the MiG. At five miles out, because of the MiG weapons sight and better maneuverability, the advantage is to the MiG. The weapons sight is a helmet-mounted system that allows the missile to follow the line of sight of the pilot's helmet. Where the pilot looks is where it goes."
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03-19-2008, 10:15 PM
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Country: | And you think that off-boresight sighting infrared weapon ability is a Russian capability only? YouTube - USAF ???-9? Sidewider, the next generation missile...
Please...
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03-21-2008, 07:14 PM
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| nah, but when you can point the nose of your aircraft away from the direction of flight (off axis) and therefore being able to point your weapons without necessarily having to manouvre into a position where your flying towards your target, it kinda helps a bit. But it is handicapped in range and endurance, I read a quote by one of Mikoyans designers that the MiG 29 was a fighter to defend its own airfield boundries. and its BVR has short comings which could be taken atvantage of by the F-22.
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03-21-2008, 07:57 PM
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Country: | What do you mean Nerdster, piss poor performance like this? YouTube - F-22 Supermanouverability
or perhaps crappy maneuverability like this (check out 2:33)... YouTube - F-22 RAPTOR DEBUT
Yeah... she sucks alright.
Maybe this shoddy performance at 7:00 and 8:50 is not worthy of modern generation. YouTube - 2007 AirPower Over Hampton Roads - F-22 Raptor DEMONSTRATION
I suggest you do some more homework.
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03-21-2008, 08:40 PM
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03-22-2008, 08:01 AM
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Country: | Who do I want providing air cover while I'm providing assault support - you can sure as heck bet that I am not taking some Russian MiG or Sukhoi over 22s and soon to hit the fleet 35s.
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03-22-2008, 08:45 PM
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| The only a/c I see as a match for the F-22 is the Eurofighter Typhoon.
In terms of maneuverability they both have things going for them, as do they in speed & climb rate, avionics, weapons etc etc. The Eurofighter has the advantage of a better pilots interface while the F-22 has its stealth capability.
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03-23-2008, 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by The Nerd In close combat the MiG 29 would be more than likely the better of the two.
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You do realize that quote you used was nearly 20 years old right? | |
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03-23-2008, 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Soren The only a/c I see as a match for the F-22 is the Eurofighter Typhoon.
In terms of maneuverability they both have things going for them, as do they in speed & climb rate, avionics, weapons etc etc. The Eurofighter has the advantage of a better pilots interface while the F-22 has its stealth capability.
Top notch fighters.. | The Typhoon II is not a generation 5 fighter. Its a Generation 4.5 fighter, much like the Super Hornet.
The F-22 is faster, far more manuverable, stealthy, can carry a heavier/larger weapons load, makes less demands on the pilot to fly, is more fuel efficient, has a longer range. I don't know where you got the idea that the Typhoon as a better pilots interface considering the EAP first flew in 1986 (the first actual Typhoon in 1994). The F-22 has had the advantage of nearly 10 extra years of technological development. | |
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03-23-2008, 07:14 AM
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Country: | I think this whole thread is plain silly.... Its retarded to argue that ANYTHING can match the F-22 in ANY combat environment...
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03-23-2008, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus I think this whole thread is plain silly.... Its retarded to argue that ANYTHING can match the F-22 in ANY combat environment... | Damn right - cutting through all the BS. I wonder how the final production F-35s will stack up.
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03-23-2008, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mkloby Damn right - cutting through all the BS. I wonder how the final production F-35s will stack up. | Apparently well enough to question the need to purchase more F-22s. Different mission emphasis, but again cost enters into the equation.
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