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03-14-2008, 07:45 PM
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#136 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | AF senior management is mostly fast movers and only want to talk fighters for everything. I think some things were lost when all fixed wing close air support went to the AF. I think the army would have held it more dear, like the marines. | 
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03-15-2008, 06:37 AM
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A-10's had a tough life, that's for sure.
Anyone remember the crash at the Paris airshow? When was that, '77?
The A-10 program was JUST getting started back then and the crash was so sensationalized, it almost killed the program right then and there.
...then no major conflicts for about 15 years.
If it wasn't for Ronald Regan and Desert Storm, I think we'd be mentioning it today in questions like, "anyone remember the attack plane the Army / Air Force had in the 70's and 80's? What ever happened to it?"
30+ years later and its still sluggin' away. I think its safe to say, today, that the plane will be around for a while.
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03-17-2008, 07:14 PM
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#138 | | Member
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Why isnīt it included the Fiat G-91 R/3 or R/4? | |
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03-18-2008, 05:59 AM
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#139 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Well lets be honest. While it was a good aircraft does it really rate as best of all time.
__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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03-18-2008, 07:16 AM
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#140 | | Member
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Probably more than some on the list!?
I let you judge that!
The G-91 entered service with the PoAF during the african war in our colonies! Going to Guiné in 1963, it operated there until 1974, also operated in Mozambique and Angola!
During eleven years only 3 Aircraft were shot down by SA-7 ofered by the soviets to the rebels. No losses to AAA, despite some aircraft being damaged, but even these were recuperated and flown until the end of the war!
Not comfirmed by PoAF, but confirmed by War veterans from both sides and the press is the encounter of 2 mig-15 and a mig-17 piloted by eastern-europe voluntears, and our g-91s, no losse of Portuguese aircraft.
The g-91 operated until 1993, that is 30 years of operational use for the same aircraft non stop. in the and it mad 75000 hours of fligth.
Do you know many aircraft that can do a 11 years war in thousands of combat operations in tropical climats in improvised runways, with a arms embargo achieving sucess in war if it was not one of the best?
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03-18-2008, 08:36 AM
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#141 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Again I think it is a great aircraft but historically I can not think of any aircraft up there that is not greater than the G-91.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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03-18-2008, 10:47 AM
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| If I had to pick a plane that wasn't on the list it would be the A7 | |
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03-23-2008, 08:49 PM
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#143 | | Member
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Country: | Ok Adler Historically you probably writh!
So my choice goes to the A-10!
I saw what they can do in NATO exercises!
I wouldnīt be the one inside an APC with that bird in the sky!
About the A-7, we had them, but they were nothing more than flying scrap metal!!! | |
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03-24-2008, 04:00 PM
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#144 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I have seen first hand what an A-10 can do to enemy positions when I was in Iraq. I would not want to be on the recieving end of it. The only thing more impressive that I have seen was the AC-130 raining hell down on the enemy.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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03-29-2008, 11:57 PM
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#145 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet  I have seen first hand what an A-10 can do to enemy positions when I was in Iraq. I would not want to be on the recieving end of it. The only thing more impressive that I have seen was the AC-130 raining hell down on the enemy. |
Indeed. All that needs to be seen is the aftermath on the Highway of Death during the first Gulf War. | |
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03-30-2008, 05:27 AM
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...and if that wasn't enuogh, there's these little tid-bits from the good folks at the United States Army, courtesy of Youtube... Keep your eye on the building (remember, that's ONLY the gun).
...and just how fast does that gun fire? See for yourself!  
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03-30-2008, 07:05 PM
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Last edited by Luis Miguel Almeida : 03-30-2008 at 07:09 PM.
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04-02-2008, 08:23 PM
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#148 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Alas one of the worst things about Youtube is the NC-17 commentary.
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04-04-2008, 03:03 AM
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#149 | | Member
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Country:  | my vote goes to the Warthog as well - efficient and combat proven. Although I doubt the A-10 would achieve in the classical european Fulda Gap scenario the same success rate as in the Desert Storm. In fact, the attack airplanes in their roles would barely survive first 2-3 days of fighting. | |
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04-05-2008, 06:27 AM
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Ok, one more piece of A-10 footage from U-Boob.
This shows an A-10 going through the paces at its "average" operational altitude.
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