The Greatest Attack Aircraft of All Time... - Page 14 - Aircraft of World War II

Elvis · 03-19-2009, 07:55 PM

Hey, glad you brought up the Stuka.

I ran across the following passage while checking out a link in another thread.
What do you think of this?

"H75 vs Ju87b: This is included here because many pilots don't know how to handle a Stuka properly. They think "Oh, it's a bomber, it can't turn" and promptly get shot down as the Ju87b outturns them. The Ju87b turns better than the H75. Now before you grab the pitchfork and head down to CRS, there are a few things to point out. The Ju87b has one of the lowest wing loadings in the game. It has huge thick wings, which generate a lot of lift (and a good amount of drag). It is designed to haul a big airframe, two crewmembers, armor, bombs, and lots of ammo on a relatively low amount of power. It also has to do this while being draggy as heck. It accomplishes this by having huge thick wings (remember how gliders fly with no power? big wings). What this means is that this airplane can turn. Just like a light biplane that has only 100hp, but can turn on a dime, the Ju87b can use its huge wings to turn well. It *will* outturn you if you flatturn it. The two biggest problems a Stuka has are speed and climbing ability. If you go vertical, the Stuka will die. If you fly fast, the Stuka will die. If you try to run away, you will get away. If you try to turn with it for an extended amount of time, it will get a nice canopy shot on you and you will die. It also flies so slowly that you will easily overshoot it if you are not careful. Most turnfighters used to beating 109s in turnfights don't know how to handle a better turning plane. Learn, or you will become very frustrated with the Stuka."

That is the first time I've EVER heard anyone write about the "accolades" of the Stuka in a dog fighting role and its got me scratchin' my head.
Not sure to call it BS or not.

...and now the appropriate linky's...

The site the quote came from - Curtiss Hawk 75A-3 (P36G) (the passage is at the bottom of the page)

The thread where the linky to the site came from - http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...k-17083-3.html (P-40 Warhawk/Kittyhawk)

I don't know. The whole page almost reads like instructions to a video game, if you ask me.
I didn't investigate that aspect, though, as it doesn't interest me.

Anyway, whadaya think?

Elvis

View Poll Results: The Greatest Attack Aircraft of All Time...
A-10 Thunderbolt {Warthog}	62	50.82%
A-4 Skyhawk	11	9.02%
Sepecat Jaguar	6	4.92%
Su-25 Frogfoot	3	2.46%
BAE Harrier II	5	4.10%
Mig-23 (BN)	1	0.82%
A-1H Skyraider	13	10.66%
AC-130U Spectre {Spooky}	4	3.28%
P-47D {Triple-tube 4.5 in. rockets}	5	4.10%
Il-2 Type 3M {37mm cannon}	8	6.56%
Fw 190F-9 {Panzerblitz}	4	3.28%
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03-19-2009, 07:55 PM	#196
Elvis Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little Norway, U.S.A. Posts: 811	Hey, glad you brought up the Stuka. I ran across the following passage while checking out a link in another thread. What do you think of this? "H75 vs Ju87b: This is included here because many pilots don't know how to handle a Stuka properly. They think "Oh, it's a bomber, it can't turn" and promptly get shot down as the Ju87b outturns them. The Ju87b turns better than the H75. Now before you grab the pitchfork and head down to CRS, there are a few things to point out. The Ju87b has one of the lowest wing loadings in the game. It has huge thick wings, which generate a lot of lift (and a good amount of drag). It is designed to haul a big airframe, two crewmembers, armor, bombs, and lots of ammo on a relatively low amount of power. It also has to do this while being draggy as heck. It accomplishes this by having huge thick wings (remember how gliders fly with no power? big wings). What this means is that this airplane can turn. Just like a light biplane that has only 100hp, but can turn on a dime, the Ju87b can use its huge wings to turn well. It will outturn you if you flatturn it. The two biggest problems a Stuka has are speed and climbing ability. If you go vertical, the Stuka will die. If you fly fast, the Stuka will die. If you try to run away, you will get away. If you try to turn with it for an extended amount of time, it will get a nice canopy shot on you and you will die. It also flies so slowly that you will easily overshoot it if you are not careful. Most turnfighters used to beating 109s in turnfights don't know how to handle a better turning plane. Learn, or you will become very frustrated with the Stuka." That is the first time I've EVER heard anyone write about the "accolades" of the Stuka in a dog fighting role and its got me scratchin' my head. Not sure to call it BS or not. ...and now the appropriate linky's... The site the quote came from - Curtiss Hawk 75A-3 (P36G) (the passage is at the bottom of the page) The thread where the linky to the site came from - http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...k-17083-3.html (P-40 Warhawk/Kittyhawk) I don't know. The whole page almost reads like instructions to a video game, if you ask me. I didn't investigate that aspect, though, as it doesn't interest me. Anyway, whadaya think? Elvis