The Greatest Attack Aircraft of All Time... - Aircraft of World War II

dinos7 · 06-03-2006, 02:59 PM

this thread is only for attack aircraft such as the A-10, A-4 and so on. this thread there is no chatting about fighters, just attackers.

lesofprimus · 06-03-2006, 03:14 PM

The A-10 is still the top for me...

the lancaster kicks ass · 06-03-2006, 03:33 PM

in terms of moderd day attack aircraft? well it can only be the A-10........

Soundbreaker Welch? · 06-03-2006, 04:39 PM

lesofprimus · 06-03-2006, 05:08 PM

I take it that little oinker is supposed to represent the Warthog??????

Gnomey · 06-03-2006, 05:43 PM

I would think so. A-10 for me as well.

Glider · 06-03-2006, 05:46 PM

Difficult as the A10 is one of a kind, however I would go for the Jaguar. The A10 can only operate where the US have control of the air which to be fair the US has always had. The speed of the A10 would limit it in any other situation.
The Jaguar has fought wherever the RAF has fought and has never lost one to enemy fire (ground or air to air). The Indian Airforce has also used them and I don't think they have ever lost one to enemy fire as have the French who I think lost a couple in the first Gulf War. This must be close to a unique record for a GA plane, as most people recognise that GA is a very dangerous business.
There have been a number of stories over the years which will never be proved that Jaguars were used in the cold war for sorties across into East Germany and other soviet satellite states, again without loss.

The RAF planes on board sensors were well ahead of those carried on the A10 when it first came into service and it had a reputation for accuracy in bomb delivery that was second to none. Even the Nigerian Air Force won some bombing contests in the late 70's using the Jaguar, which is saying something. Did I hear someone say ex-pat pilots.

Clearly the Jaguar doesn't have a Gun like the A10 nor could it take the sort of battle damage that the A10 can.
For the first point the Aden wouldn't knock out a MBT but would have a better than average change of knocking out an APC.
For the second point, at the end of the day, none have been lost so it obviously has something going for it, even if its just more difficult to hit.

The A10 is an excellent aircraft but if I had to chose one for my airforce, it would be the Jaguar. It would give me more flexibility and options.

Its worth pointing out that the Indian Air Force who could choose almost any aircraft chose the Jaguar over everything for long range GA and are still building some under license. Its also worth mentioning that the first none US aircraft to take part in Red Flag exercises in Nevada were Jaguars and none were claimed by the defending forces (ground or air) until the fourth day, which is going some.

HealzDevo · 06-03-2006, 10:33 PM

I would go the Jaguar as it also has the ability to defend itself. However for knocking out heavy armour I would go the A-10 Warthog. Or maybe a combined force of Jaguars and Warthogs with Jaguars knocking out air defences first so the Warthogs can work on any armoured targets. That would be best, a mixed force of Warthogs and Jaguars.

Glider · 06-04-2006, 10:16 AM

Since writing my previous posting I must make one amendment. One RAF Jaguar was shot down in Air to Air combat, believe it or not, by an RAF Phantom.
Please don't ask me how, but during simulated combat the Phantom was loaded with live Sidewinders not exercise missiles, and when the pilot pushed the button, off it went. The Jaguar pilot was able to eject and wasn't hurt.

Dac · 06-04-2006, 05:22 PM

I'd pick the Sepecat Jaguar too. It doesn't have the heavy punch against armor but has high speed and excellent low altitude performance. In over 1,200 sorties in the first Gulf War none were shot down and they delivered a lot of bombs accurately.

loomaluftwaffe · 06-05-2006, 12:04 AM

the Su-25 would have been a potentially good attacker, it had good performance and armor, well for an attacker

Torch · 06-05-2006, 01:12 PM

I'd have to agree on the A-10 also..........

syscom3 · 06-05-2006, 01:52 PM

The Jaguar and A10 seem to be two totally different aircraft for two different missions.

If I wanted to attack an airfield and get in and out as fast as possible, Id take the jag.

If I needed to orbit a battlefield and wait for calls from the ground troops to attack bunkers and small troop concentrations, Id take the A10

Twitch · 06-05-2006, 02:29 PM

While it doesn't have "the gun" the old A-1 could haul massive amounts of ordnance low and slow.

Glider · 06-05-2006, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syscom3

The Jaguar and A10 seem to be two totally different aircraft for two different missions.

If I wanted to attack an airfield and get in and out as fast as possible, Id take the jag.

If I needed to orbit a battlefield and wait for calls from the ground troops to attack bunkers and small troop concentrations, Id take the A10

Little different than choosing between an IL2 and a P47. Two different approaches for the same job.

View Poll Results: The Greatest Attack Aircraft of All Time...
A-10 Thunderbolt {Warthog}	62	50.82%
A-4 Skyhawk	11	9.02%
Sepecat Jaguar	6	4.92%
Su-25 Frogfoot	3	2.46%
BAE Harrier II	5	4.10%
Mig-23 (BN)	1	0.82%
A-1H Skyraider	13	10.66%
AC-130U Spectre {Spooky}	4	3.28%
P-47D {Triple-tube 4.5 in. rockets}	5	4.10%
Il-2 Type 3M {37mm cannon}	8	6.56%
Fw 190F-9 {Panzerblitz}	4	3.28%
Voters: 122. You may not vote on this poll

06-03-2006, 02:59 PM	#1
dinos7 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 87	The Greatest Attack Aircraft of All Time... this thread is only for attack aircraft such as the A-10, A-4 and so on. this thread there is no chatting about fighters, just attackers. __________________ Last edited by lesofprimus; 03-31-2007 at 09:58 AM.

06-03-2006, 03:14 PM	#2
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	The A-10 is still the top for me... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

06-03-2006, 03:33 PM	#3
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	in terms of moderd day attack aircraft? well it can only be the A-10........ __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

06-03-2006, 04:39 PM	#4
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06-03-2006, 05:08 PM	#5
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	I take it that little oinker is supposed to represent the Warthog?????? __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

06-03-2006, 05:43 PM	#6
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,224	I would think so. A-10 for me as well. __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

06-03-2006, 05:46 PM	#7
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,655	Difficult as the A10 is one of a kind, however I would go for the Jaguar. The A10 can only operate where the US have control of the air which to be fair the US has always had. The speed of the A10 would limit it in any other situation. The Jaguar has fought wherever the RAF has fought and has never lost one to enemy fire (ground or air to air). The Indian Airforce has also used them and I don't think they have ever lost one to enemy fire as have the French who I think lost a couple in the first Gulf War. This must be close to a unique record for a GA plane, as most people recognise that GA is a very dangerous business. There have been a number of stories over the years which will never be proved that Jaguars were used in the cold war for sorties across into East Germany and other soviet satellite states, again without loss. The RAF planes on board sensors were well ahead of those carried on the A10 when it first came into service and it had a reputation for accuracy in bomb delivery that was second to none. Even the Nigerian Air Force won some bombing contests in the late 70's using the Jaguar, which is saying something. Did I hear someone say ex-pat pilots. Clearly the Jaguar doesn't have a Gun like the A10 nor could it take the sort of battle damage that the A10 can. For the first point the Aden wouldn't knock out a MBT but would have a better than average change of knocking out an APC. For the second point, at the end of the day, none have been lost so it obviously has something going for it, even if its just more difficult to hit. The A10 is an excellent aircraft but if I had to chose one for my airforce, it would be the Jaguar. It would give me more flexibility and options. Its worth pointing out that the Indian Air Force who could choose almost any aircraft chose the Jaguar over everything for long range GA and are still building some under license. Its also worth mentioning that the first none US aircraft to take part in Red Flag exercises in Nevada were Jaguars and none were claimed by the defending forces (ground or air) until the fourth day, which is going some.

06-03-2006, 10:33 PM	#8
HealzDevo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Queensland Posts: 1,249	I would go the Jaguar as it also has the ability to defend itself. However for knocking out heavy armour I would go the A-10 Warthog. Or maybe a combined force of Jaguars and Warthogs with Jaguars knocking out air defences first so the Warthogs can work on any armoured targets. That would be best, a mixed force of Warthogs and Jaguars.

06-04-2006, 10:16 AM	#9
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,655	Since writing my previous posting I must make one amendment. One RAF Jaguar was shot down in Air to Air combat, believe it or not, by an RAF Phantom. Please don't ask me how, but during simulated combat the Phantom was loaded with live Sidewinders not exercise missiles, and when the pilot pushed the button, off it went. The Jaguar pilot was able to eject and wasn't hurt.

06-04-2006, 05:22 PM	#10
Dac Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: British Columbia Posts: 147	I'd pick the Sepecat Jaguar too. It doesn't have the heavy punch against armor but has high speed and excellent low altitude performance. In over 1,200 sorties in the first Gulf War none were shot down and they delivered a lot of bombs accurately.

06-05-2006, 12:04 AM	#11
loomaluftwaffe Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,848	the Su-25 would have been a potentially good attacker, it had good performance and armor, well for an attacker __________________ "The German Luftwaffe always fought without any reserves. This is also the reason why we have pilots with extremely high numbers of victories." - General der Jagdflieger Adolf Galland"

06-05-2006, 01:12 PM	#12
Torch Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 503	I'd have to agree on the A-10 also.......... __________________ As I shifted into 5th gear I couldn't remember a word she said!

06-05-2006, 01:52 PM	#13
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,283	The Jaguar and A10 seem to be two totally different aircraft for two different missions. If I wanted to attack an airfield and get in and out as fast as possible, Id take the jag. If I needed to orbit a battlefield and wait for calls from the ground troops to attack bunkers and small troop concentrations, Id take the A10 __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

06-05-2006, 02:29 PM	#14
Twitch Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: City of the Angels California Posts: 809	While it doesn't have "the gun" the old A-1 could haul massive amounts of ordnance low and slow. __________________

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