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02-24-2006, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by loomaluftwaffe correct, hadnt that wing been bent the Japs wouldnt have that many nightmares about US planes | The F6F gave them plenty of nightmares.
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02-24-2006, 03:32 AM
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Country:  | ya, but you still would have more nightmares if there were 2 evil bunnies trying 2 kill you rather than 1 right?
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02-25-2006, 12:53 PM
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needs little support and can handle many roles, yet can be anywhere where as the others need to have a base or field 
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02-26-2006, 01:49 AM
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Country: | needs little support? dude havent u heard of heat-seeking SAMs?
others need to have a base, so u mean the harrier doesnt need a base?
a harrier without fuel or weapon's only use is something to use for cover if ur being shot at
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02-26-2006, 03:24 AM
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Country:  | i believe he was refering to the corsair and it's ability to operate off carriers..............
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02-26-2006, 04:28 AM
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Country: | look at his post carefully... it says "post subject: harrier"
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02-26-2006, 05:17 AM
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#157 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | oh yeah... no one ever actually looks at though cos very few people use it......
but he means that not only can the harrier operate from carriers, she doesn't need a prepared runway to operate, she proberly has the best rough feild abilities of any front line aircraft, that being said sometimes she doesn't even need a field, 100ft of any ground and she's away, she can land on the spot and her remarkable ability to operate from forests even! means she can be placed close to the front and the enemy wont even know they're there, whereas they spot all the planes sitting by the runway with their satalites..........
and heat seaking SAMs are a threat to any aircraft, i'm willing to guess that due to no big exausts at the rear with afterburners she has less heat signature than most planes, admitedly more speed would be helpful in evading them but in saying that the on;y plane that could really outrun missiles on a regular basis was the SR-71...........
having said all this however i feel that we should discuss the sea harriers and not the RAF harriers as they're used in the Ground attack role, the sea harriers being used as fighters and ground attack............
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02-26-2006, 08:52 AM
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02-27-2006, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by CurzonDax So having to come at a almost 90 degree angle to the deck and then have to turn to land on the deck and still try to hit the 2 wire is too much fun for me. Add to that battle damage, weather, pilot exhaustion, and just plain having a bad monday, these pilots have my respect.
:{) | what was the standard procedure to land a corsair?
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02-27-2006, 07:29 AM
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02-27-2006, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Looma a list of greatest ever fighters isnt complete with the harrier | again make that the Sea Harrier, the Harrier as used by the RAF is for Ground attack and has minimal abilities for the air to air role, whereas the Sea harrier has all the attributes of the RAF harriers but with specialist air to air capabilities in the form of the Blue Vixen RaDAR and more extensive air to air weapons suite...........
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02-27-2006, 09:45 AM
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| The Harrier doesnt even deserve to be in the list. Perhaps in the "top ten most highly specialized and unusual". But nowhere near the top ten best ever.
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02-27-2006, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 The Harrier doesnt even deserve to be in the list. Perhaps in the "top ten most highly specialized and unusual". But nowhere near the top ten best ever. | I'd even pick the Spitfire over the Harrier in the rankings.
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02-28-2006, 09:36 PM
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Country:  | Well it pretty much won the air war over the Falklands.
Let me remind you guys the aircraft in this poll are based on its attributes of its own time, what made it unique, combat record ect.
Vertical take Off and landing is gonna be a big part of the future and the Harrier is what started it.
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