Greatest Fighter Aircraft of All Time - Page 2 - Aircraft of World War II

FLYBOYJ · 01-28-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogwalker

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

We've discussed the Mig-25 before

I love it, no reason.

DogW

No sweat!

102first_hussars · 01-28-2006, 09:58 PM

I guess the russians thought it was top of the line, ahead of its time, so much a pilot had to go rogue and take one to Japan, but like you said FBJ it was nothing but steel, Cathoder ehem I mean Cathode tubes, goes to show what Russias idea of high quality was then eh?

FLYBOYJ · 01-28-2006, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 102first_hussars

I guess the russians thought it was top of the line, ahead of its time, so much a pilot had to go rogue and take one to Japan, but like you said FBJ it was nothing but steel, Cathoder ehem I mean Cathode tubes, goes to show what Russias idea of high quality was then eh?

Well it was designed for one thing, to intercept the B-70 which never materialized, but it was a formidable interceptor for straight on, one or two shots. It was crude and could be somewhat dangerous according to Victor Belinko, they guy who defected to Japan in 1976.

The SR-71 just danced around it when it tried to intercept the Blackbird, Belinko stated that it seemed the Blackbird was just taunting the Russians!

evangilder · 01-28-2006, 10:45 PM

One of the reason for using vacuum tubes in the Mig-25 is that they are not succeptible to EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse). Any fighter that is going after a nuclear bomber should have the least amount of succeptibility to EMP.

And for the record guys, Cathode Ray Tubes, or CRTs are still used even today. That is the screen for computers, TVs, radars and even American Fighters carried them for many years.

FLYBOYJ · 01-28-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by evangilder

One of the reason for using vacuum tubes in the Mig-25 is that they are not succeptible to EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse). Any fighter that is going after a nuclear bomber should have the least amount of succeptibility to EMP.

And for the record guys, Cathode Ray Tubes, or CRTs are still used even today. That is the screen for computers, TVs, radars and even American Fighters carried them for many years.

YEP!!!

the lancaster kicks ass · 01-29-2006, 05:33 AM

i think harrier should be changed to sea harrier if possible.........

and i'll proberly vote spitfire..............

Dogwalker · 01-29-2006, 07:39 AM

Vacuum tubes or not, Mig-25 radar was the most powerful airborne radar of it's time. Among soviets there was the joke that, when the pilot forget to switch it off on landing, it kill the rabbits around the airstrip.

An interesting discussion, don't know how much accurate: http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/RAFAQ/MiG-25.html

DogW

FLYBOYJ · 01-29-2006, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dogwalker

Vacuum tubes or not, Mig-25 radar was the most powerful airborne radar of it's time. Among soviets there was the joke that, when the pilot forget to switch it off on landing, it kill the rabbits around the airstrip.

An interesting discussion, don't know how much accurate: http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/RAFAQ/MiG-25.html

DogW

That is true, but the stats stand - it did miserable in combat even with evenly matched opponents..

I've seen that site, some good info, some bogus, especially about the Mig-25 being designed to intercept the A-12..

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-29-2006, 09:29 AM

Okay well here is my take on the matter. I really dont think you can compare any of these aircraft to one another. Well some you can like the Spitfire to the Fw-190 and the P-51 which in that case in my opinion would go to the Spitfire very closly followed by the Fw-190 and then the P-51. However it is impossible to compare a P-51 to a F-15 Eagle. No contest and no comparison.

Now as for the Mig-25 I agree it was a fast peace of junk. Nothing more than that also. I tried to find a picture on my external harddrive of a destroyed Mig-25 that was at the Airfield that I was based out of in Iraq. I have some good photos of it being the junk that it is.

plan_D · 01-29-2006, 11:07 AM

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Vacuum tubes or not, Mig-25 radar was the most powerful airborne radar of it's time. Among soviets there was the joke that, when the pilot forget to switch it off on landing, it kill the rabbits around the airstrip.

An interesting discussion, don't know how much accurate: http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/RAFAQ/MiG-25.html

DogW

That very same rumour surrounded the English Electric Lightning. I think the idea of the RADAR killing rabbits on landing or take-off was just a general joke of the era, or obvious misinformation.

Gnomey · 01-29-2006, 11:50 AM

I'm sure the rabbits didn't find it funny...

plan_D · 01-29-2006, 11:51 AM

I doubt they actually killed them. But if they did ... well, the rabbit itself would be dead - but I'm sure it's little bunny friends found it horrific and tried to sue the MoD.

the lancaster kicks ass · 01-29-2006, 11:53 AM

Gnomey · 01-29-2006, 12:05 PM

cheddar cheese · 01-29-2006, 04:32 PM

I voted Fw-190.

On the MiG-25 issue, as crap as it was you cant help but love it.

View Poll Results: Which is the best
Sabre F-86	6	4.38%
Mig 21 Fishbed	6	4.38%
Mig 15	4	2.92%
Spitfire	29	21.17%
FW-190	18	13.14%
P-51	27	19.71%
Harrier	2	1.46%
F-15 Eagle	30	21.90%
Sopwith Camel	2	1.46%
Fokker DR1	5	3.65%
F4-Phantom	8	5.84%
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01-28-2006, 09:58 PM	#17
102first_hussars Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Edmonton,Alberta Posts: 2,259	I guess the russians thought it was top of the line, ahead of its time, so much a pilot had to go rogue and take one to Japan, but like you said FBJ it was nothing but steel, Cathoder ehem I mean Cathode tubes, goes to show what Russias idea of high quality was then eh? __________________ Hello me...meet the real me. And my misfits way of life. A dark black past is my Most valued possession. Hindsight is always 20-20, But looking back its still a bit fuzzy. Speak of mutually assured destruction? Nice story...tell it to readers digest!!!

01-28-2006, 10:45 PM	#19
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,807	One of the reason for using vacuum tubes in the Mig-25 is that they are not succeptible to EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse). Any fighter that is going after a nuclear bomber should have the least amount of succeptibility to EMP. And for the record guys, Cathode Ray Tubes, or CRTs are still used even today. That is the screen for computers, TVs, radars and even American Fighters carried them for many years. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

01-29-2006, 05:33 AM	#21
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	i think harrier should be changed to sea harrier if possible......... and i'll proberly vote spitfire.............. __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

01-29-2006, 07:39 AM	#22
Dogwalker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Manziana Field, near Rome Posts: 260	Vacuum tubes or not, Mig-25 radar was the most powerful airborne radar of it's time. Among soviets there was the joke that, when the pilot forget to switch it off on landing, it kill the rabbits around the airstrip. An interesting discussion, don't know how much accurate: http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/RAFAQ/MiG-25.html DogW __________________

01-29-2006, 09:29 AM	#24
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Okay well here is my take on the matter. I really dont think you can compare any of these aircraft to one another. Well some you can like the Spitfire to the Fw-190 and the P-51 which in that case in my opinion would go to the Spitfire very closly followed by the Fw-190 and then the P-51. However it is impossible to compare a P-51 to a F-15 Eagle. No contest and no comparison. Now as for the Mig-25 I agree it was a fast peace of junk. Nothing more than that also. I tried to find a picture on my external harddrive of a destroyed Mig-25 that was at the Airfield that I was based out of in Iraq. I have some good photos of it being the junk that it is. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

01-29-2006, 11:50 AM	#26
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,218	I'm sure the rabbits didn't find it funny... __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

01-29-2006, 11:51 AM	#27
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	I doubt they actually killed them. But if they did ... well, the rabbit itself would be dead - but I'm sure it's little bunny friends found it horrific and tried to sue the MoD. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

01-29-2006, 11:53 AM	#28
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	__________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

01-29-2006, 12:05 PM	#29
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,218	__________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

01-29-2006, 04:32 PM	#30
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	I voted Fw-190. On the MiG-25 issue, as crap as it was you cant help but love it.

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