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03-22-2006, 06:45 PM
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Country:  |  you just said that without proving your point
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03-22-2006, 06:50 PM
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#302 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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03-23-2006, 04:51 AM
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03-23-2006, 07:45 PM
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Country:  | How can you contest an undefeated champion? Sure, most of the F-15's 100 plus victories were against inferior pilots, but I am sure most of the other contestants have planes that were shot down by inferior pilots. And as for the F-22, and most other modern contestants, one can always ask "What is your won-loss record?". The answer would be either not near the F-15 or "Well,...." | |
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03-23-2006, 07:48 PM
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03-23-2006, 08:08 PM
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#306 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by davparlr How can you contest an undefeated champion? Sure, most of the F-15's 100 plus victories were against inferior pilots, but I am sure most of the other contestants have planes that were shot down by inferior pilots. And as for the F-22, and most other modern contestants, one can always ask "What is your won-loss record?". The answer would be either not near the F-15 or "Well,...." | 100+????
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03-23-2006, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 I say the F4 has a better combat record than the F15 | An F-15 was NEVER lost in combat!!!F-4s were shot down in air-to-air over Vietnam, Israel and Iran....
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03-23-2006, 08:42 PM
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#308 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Yes but I dont think that the F-15 has 100+ kills. Dont take me wrong the F-15 is a much better aircraft than the F-4.
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03-23-2006, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 I say the F4 has a better combat record than the F15 | An F-15 was NEVER lost in combat!!!F-4s were shot down in air-to-air over Vietnam, Israel and Iran.... | But then, the F15 has never fought in a high intensity conflict.
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03-23-2006, 09:43 PM
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#310 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | That does not make the F-15 a bad fighter. You have too look at the all around picture of it.
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03-23-2006, 09:51 PM
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Country:  | With all that aside, how do you think the F-15 would do against an SU-37?
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03-23-2006, 10:00 PM
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#312 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I think the Su-37 has the F-15, now having said that the F-15 with a good pilot will do just fine aswell.
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03-23-2006, 11:36 PM
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Country: | The F-15 is an older plane and the Su-37 ius still a new (probably cancelled) prototype
an F-15 is more comparable to an Su-27/Mig-29
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03-24-2006, 01:17 AM
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Country: | well if you wanna compare it to a Su-27, i'd give it to the -27, just........
and there's no way i for one would call the best ever fighter on the loss ratio of a plane that's never really been in a large, high intensity conflict against equal opposition, do you really think that no F-15s would be lost against large equal opposition............
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03-24-2006, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet What? | i meant hussars just said that the mustang was better than the spit without saying anything
and if a large number of F-15s flew into a large formation of say MiG-29s... damn enemy pilots arent that stupid
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