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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese
On the MiG-25 issue, as crap as it was you cant help but love it.
| Agree, like most Migs!
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Okay well here is my take on the matter. I really dont think you can compare any of these aircraft to one another. Well some you can like the Spitfire to the Fw-190 and the P-51 which in that case in my opinion would go to the Spitfire very closly followed by the Fw-190 and then the P-51. However it is impossible to compare a P-51 to a F-15 Eagle. No contest and no comparison. | The only thing about these aircraft that can compare is their combat record, in which clearly the P-51 wins, the main factors of this thread are how the aircraft operated during its own wars, popularity, the significanse it had on the history of dogfighting etc
If you want to compare them the way you are thinking Adler, try separating the planes by their timeline, Camel vs DR.1 WW1, Triple threat-P51 vs Spitfire vs FW-190 WW2, F86 vs Mig 15 Korea etc.
Does that help?
Oh and by the way, the DR.1, I made a mistake, I thought that was the one that the BAron was flying, so I should have put DR 2
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Country: | I saw the Discovery Wings show that aired this competition. Some of the "experts" on there were freaking pinheads. They were attempting to say that certain aspects of the Mig-21 and F-4 Phantom were "flawed." I bet none of those guys ever got close to a combat aircraft either as a pilot or as a maintainer!!! 
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Country: | I like the -25 for its looks and its speed. How was the sr-71 able to fly circles around it?
I went with the phantom. It's too bad they left missiles to do all the work in the early years of the vietnam war, but overall a great (and awesome looking) bird.
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Country: | Oh and by the way, the DR.1, I made a mistake, I thought that was the one that the BAron was flying, so I should have put DR 2[/quote]
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Originally Posted by Aggie08 I like the -25 for its looks and its speed. How was the sr-71 able to fly circles around it? | Read Mig Pilot - On spy missions they would get to altitudes where the -25 was just closing in on them but still out of range, light up the afterburners and leave them in the dust, the SR-71s would then turn around (probaby a 150 mile turn radius) and come streaking back at the -25s. About this time the Mig-25 was running out of fuel...
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| Ive always had the impression that the MiG-25 was designed to intercept high flying and mach 2 US bombers, such as the XB-70 and B-58. It was fast, had a powerfull radar to burn through ECM and was designed to carry nuclear tipped AA missles. Anything else, it was substandard or useless. Its role and impact on aviation history is quite limited. Personally, I dont think it should have even been included on the list.
I also agree with several of you on you have to compare aircraft against its peers. Plus, you have to differentiate between the "dogfight" fighters and the "interceptor" fighters. Consider the stakes in the cold war for a nuclear armed bomber and the devestation it could do. The F4 might have been able to perform far more missions than the Lightning but the Lightning had a far better chance to take out a bomber than the F4.
IMHO, for the time period between 1953 and 1975, there should be two catagories. Best interceptor and best fighter.
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the Lightning had a far better chance to take out a bomber than the F4.
| How so? Im aware the early model phantoms had no cannons but that was fixed up right away, the EE lightning would have been a better choice simply because of its response time to an incoming raid, but in terms of actually shooting down a bomber with an F4 is not a problem, It was heavily armed moose, now if you want to say it had a better chance of shooting down a bomber then it could a fighter (naturally bombers are easier to shoot down) then that would make perfect sense.
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