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| The performance data for the Lightning was posted and it demonstrated that it could get off the ground faster and intercept the hypothetical bomber further from the target.
Of course once both planes had its radar lock on the bomber, then its goodnight for that target. The Lightning could just get into a firing position sooner.
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Originally Posted by Aggie08 I like the -25 for its looks and its speed. How was the sr-71 able to fly circles around it? | Also the SR-71s top speed any how was faster than that of the Mig-25. The top speed of the SR-71 is still classified.
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Quote: |
Originally Posted by Aggie08 I like the -25 for its looks and its speed. How was the sr-71 able to fly circles around it? | Also the SR-71s top speed any how was faster than that of the Mig-25. The top speed of the SR-71 is still classified. | The top speed of the SR-71 ever published was mach 3.3, there are those that say it could fly faster than that, I believe them!!!
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Quote: |
Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Quote: |
Originally Posted by Aggie08 I like the -25 for its looks and its speed. How was the sr-71 able to fly circles around it? | Also the SR-71s top speed any how was faster than that of the Mig-25. The top speed of the SR-71 is still classified. | The top speed of the SR-71 ever published was mach 3.3, there are those that say it could fly faster than that, I believe them!!! | So do I but even at mach 3.3 it was faster than every plane in existance and some AA missles as well.
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| The SR71 was not a bomber.
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| Kyushu J7W1 Shinden
It featured:
Swept wings
It featured decent cockpit visibility when taxiing and in the air
Twin vertical tails
Provision for a jet engine
Tricycle landing gear
Canards
Cannon armanent in the nose
Intakes to the side of and below the cockpit like modern jet fighters
all in one aircraft
It flew twice, and its vibration problems would have been fixed by the use of a jet engine http://www.eagle.ca/~harry/aircraft/shinden/ Quote:
On 3 August, 1945, this strange-looking craft took to the air for the first time after many delays in acquiring necessary parts and solving some of the engine ground-cooling problems. The second and last of the two short flights was completed just as the war came to an end. Total flying time for the Shinden was approximately 45 minutes.
Of the few items to be corrected was the strong torque pull to the right on takeoff and noticeable vibration in the propeller and its extended drive shaft. Solutions were underway to correct these problems, but both would have been negated by the planned use of the 1 ,984 Ib thrust Ne 130 turbojet for an advanced model which was to have been the J7W2 Shinden Kai.
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Country: | With a total flying time of 45 minutes, you could hardly call the Shinden the greatest fighter aircraft of all time. Barely even an "almost was".
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| as in most newish features in one aircraft | |
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Originally Posted by syscom3 The SR71 was not a bomber. | That it wasn't but in the day it gave the Mig-25 work (and fits)
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| The design speed of the SR-71 was a little over mach 4 and I don't know of a case where Kelly Johnson missed a design mark. I knew a former radar operator fron Kadena who said it wasn't unusual for a SR-71 to accelerate away from a persuing SAM.
I ran accross this a while back
Though I travel through the valley of death, I will fear no evil........... I'm in a SR-71 at 80,000ft and still climbing. This is reported to be on a sign at the Kadena main gate.
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Country:  | They should have made the the SR-71 a high altitude bomber, then the energy wasted on taking out SAMs would not have been a problem in Veitnam.
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Country: | I had the opportunity to watch the 71 on radar once and using the old time distance rate formula was over 2000 Knots certainly very quick
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| There is a host of engineering problems with trying to precision hit something when your traveling at Mach 3. A bomber version of the SR71 would have added nothing of value, that a B52 couldnt do.
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There is a host of engineering problems with trying to precision hit something when your traveling at Mach 3
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Country: | My fist program at Lockheed was on the SR-71/U-2. You carried the same clearance badge for each aircraft. We did work on sub assemblies and ground support equipment being rebuilt in the early 1980s. There were always rumors and stories of what the SR-71 can do and not do, but it seemed those with the right clearances new that the aircraft was a lot faster than what was published....
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