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10-25-2005, 04:29 PM
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#181 | | the old Sage
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back on topic. none of the above selection is the best fighter jet. We haven't seen it yet | 
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10-25-2005, 04:37 PM
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| Even I have said I think three times, that technology has moved on and its time for a replacement.
As for the overpriced, I believe that the RAF and the RN have had value for money over the last 25 years.
As for the effectiveness as a GA plane we will have to agree to differ.
As for the Harrer vs a Mirage at any range from base, we still would have wiped the floor with them.
A Mirage is only faster with the afterburner. Use the afterburner to run, you present the Harrier with a perfect contact and collect a Sidewinder where it hurts as your prize. The Harrier can out turn, out accelerate, bleeds less energy in a manoever, uses less fuel, has a better role rate and (on dry power) outclimbs a Mirage. This has been proven in many exercises with the French and Belgian Airforces.
However the point of the thread was Which is the best Jet Fighter and it has to be the F15. Dare I say we all agree on that. | |
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10-25-2005, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by evangilder I haven't seen the price lately, but what military hardware is cheap? It probably is pricey, but are they still buying them, or just "upgrading" them? | I saw a recent price of 24 million. An A10 in 1998 dollars was 10 million.
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Originally Posted by syscom3 If one thing the Harrier ISNT is.... is a fast aircraft. |
no ones denying that fact.the amount of times it has been stated that the harrier isnt one of the fastest jets.i have it imprinted on my forehead from the amount of times i,ve heard it.why are you deciding to repeat it?
some guy on this site has already stated theyre sick of hearing everyone put the p-40 down.now i,m gonna take his attitude,i,m sick of hearing british aircraft being slagged off.
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10-25-2005, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Glider However the point of the thread was Which is the best Jet Fighter and it has to be the F15. Dare I say we all agree on that. | Still arguing over the F4 vs F15.
I still say the F4.
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10-25-2005, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jrk Quote: |
Originally Posted by syscom3 If one thing the Harrier ISNT is.... is a fast aircraft. |
no ones denying that fact.the amount of times it has been stated that the harrier isnt one of the fastest jets.i have it imprinted on my forehead from the amount of times i,ve heard it.why are you deciding to repeat it?
..............british aircraft being slagged off. | I had to repeat it to emphasize my statement. Sorry if my point of reasoning pissed you off.
And Im not slagging any other Brit aircraft, just this one..... in its ground attack role.
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10-25-2005, 06:01 PM
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| right i,m stating here and now i,m not having any more part of this discussion.syscom3 i accept your point that you dont like the harrier, i do.i feel this conversation is going round in never ending circles.so i,m stepping out of the circle.yes i did get pissed off and i,m mad at myself for getting that way in the first place.but come on were supposed to be to post what we know and we are allowed to enjoy ourselves although looking at all this it looks like were in the middle of a battlefield.come on lets call a truce and stamp this out now.if anyone wants to take a pop at me for doing what i,m doing go ahead.i,m trying to take the heat out of the situation and calm everything down.
i,ll even let you call me the u.n. if you want.some one crack a joke or something like.................................who cut the cheese man?
or blazing saddles where theyre all farting around the fire due to the beans.
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10-25-2005, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jrk ......blazing saddles where theyre all farting around the fire due to the beans. | 
Just dont punch out the horse
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Country: | Just face it, syscom, the only thing that could be considered bad for the Harrier is it's price. It doesn't make it a "piece of junk" - the Me-262 was expensive compared to the Spitfire XIV, was it a "piece of junk"?
Think of the global situation; the Harrier is not past it's prime when the majority of global conflicts are against nations that have only just realised a spear is inferior to a rifle.
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10-25-2005, 10:52 PM
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| The Me-262 was a generational leap above the Spitfire. No comparison could be made.
The Harrier is expensive to build, maintain, and is prone to damage. For ground support, its junk. It does not carry that impressive of a payload, nor flys very far. Its only marginally better than a modern helicopter gunship.
The only reason other nations have the Harrier is because they dont have the carrier capable of operating traditional aircraft.
Like I said. Its second rate, perhaps third rate for ground attack in a defended area.
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Originally Posted by syscom3 The Me-262 was a generational leap above the Spitfire. No comparison could be made.
The Harrier is expensive to build, maintain, and is prone to damage. For ground support, its junk. It does not carry that impressive of a payload, nor flys very far. Its only marginally better than a modern helicopter gunship.
The only reason other nations have the Harrier is because they dont have the carrier capable of operating traditional aircraft.
Like I said. Its second rate, perhaps third rate for ground attack in a defended area. | How many Mirage 2000's,Super Entards did the Harrier shoot down in the Falklands and how many Harriers were shot down by the Argentine Air Force? None,
So stick that in your pipe and smoke it 
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