The Greatest Fighter Jet of All Time.

Henk · 05-27-2006, 11:51 AM

The Sabre were not one of the best aircraft and not a great fighter aircraft, but it's pilots used it excellently and had some great success against the MIGs in Korea.

I would not vote for a aircraft only because it looks cool, rather vote then in one where it says which jet aircraft looked the coollest.

Henk

davparlr · 05-27-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Henk

The Sabre were not one of the best aircraft and not a great fighter aircraft, but it's pilots used it excellently and had some great success against the MIGs in Korea.

Henk

I don't think you will get a lot of people to agree with you on this. The F-86 and Mig 15 were outstanding fighters. These two were in a class by themselves for that era.

And, the F-86 is one of the great looking aircrafts.

Henk · 05-27-2006, 12:41 PM

Yes, but it did lack compared to the MIG 15, but like I said it's pilots made it what it is.

Henk

Soundbreaker Welch? · 05-27-2006, 02:49 PM

Nice siggy there, I love the P-51s over Neuschwanstein Castle. It really is a beautiful castle to visit.

Thanks. I haven't been there, but I am a fan of medieval weapons and stuff as well.

Yeah, I suppose the Sabre wasn't the greatest, but maybe I am a bit biased! But in it's day it wasn't too bad.

Henk · 05-28-2006, 01:00 AM

True, I also like your siggy, that is really nicely done.

Henk

lesofprimus · 05-28-2006, 06:11 AM

I dont, the pic is too large and the quality sucks....

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-28-2006, 06:30 AM

Henk the Sabre was a marvelous aircraft actually. The Mig-15 was only better at first and later on at worst they were equals. The Sabre flew well and it was a great design for its time. So was the Mig-15 but the Mig-15 was not way better than the Sabre.

Henk · 05-28-2006, 10:51 AM

Oh yes it was a lovely aircraft and it did have its strong points, but like you said it later on could get the MIG 15, but if you know that the MIG 15 were not a great fighter aircraft if you take that the MIG 15 were really a bomber destroyer/interceptor while the Sabre was a fighter. SA also had some, we had quite a lot of US aircraft.

Anyway I just tried to say that the Sabre did have its problems and were not so great as many people thought, but it did kick a*s later in its career.

Henk

syscom3 · 05-28-2006, 11:07 AM

The F86D sort of looks like a beagle.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-28-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Henk

but if you know that the MIG 15 were not a great fighter aircraft if you take that the MIG 15 were really a bomber destroyer/interceptor while the Sabre was a fighter.

They actually had the same abitlities and the Sabre in the end could outperform the Mig-15 not because of its pilots but because of its superior qualities.

Henk · 05-28-2006, 01:53 PM

Performance wise but the Sabre guns were weaker than the guns of the MIG 15. What I meant with the pilots is that they learned the tactics of the enemy and later started to counter the MIG 15 tactics and also learned their own tactics to deal with the MIG 15.

Henk

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-28-2006, 01:55 PM

And what does that actually have to do with the aircraft themselves?

Henk · 05-28-2006, 02:34 PM

That made them also great aircraft in the sense that the tactics used brought out the real potential out of the aircraft and only the pilot knows what the aircraft can do and not do not the guy on the ground.

Now for instance I can only work on what the pilot told me how a aircraft handled and what it could do or I would not know how it works.

You see like I have said in the past, The pilot makes the aircraft and the tactics they use to fight the enemy makes the airforce and the aircraft great, but if a pilot does not have great training they would also not be able think of those tactics.

So you see how I see it mate.

Henk

Dac · 05-28-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Henk

Performance wise but the Sabre guns were weaker than the guns of the MIG 15. What I meant with the pilots is that they learned the tactics of the enemy and later started to counter the MIG 15 tactics and also learned their own tactics to deal with the MIG 15.

Henk

The individual rounds were weaker but the actual configuration was more effective in combat where pilots often only had opponents in their gunsights for a second or two. The Mig-15 had heavy cannon armament, but they were slower firing and the green pilots of North Korea probably would have done better with a larger numbers of rapid firing weapons.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-28-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Henk

That made them also great aircraft in the sense that the tactics used brought out the real potential out of the aircraft and only the pilot knows what the aircraft can do and not do not the guy on the ground.

Now for instance I can only work on what the pilot told me how a aircraft handled and what it could do or I would not know how it works.

You see like I have said in the past, The pilot makes the aircraft and the tactics they use to fight the enemy makes the airforce and the aircraft great, but if a pilot does not have great training they would also not be able think of those tactics.

So you see how I see it mate.

Henk

No I dont really. The Pilot has a say so in the aircraft but no the pilot does not make the aircraft. 2 Aircraft that are equal in that case yes. The better pilot has the advantage and will get the most out of his plane, but in the case of the Mig-15 and the Sabre that is not case.

I will use rotary wing terms because I am a rotary wing guy. That is like me saying that a pilot with 5000 hours of flight time and UH-1 Huey is going to outfly a pilot with 100 hours of flight time in a UH-60 Blackhawk. Not going to happen.