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10-18-2005, 04:37 PM
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Country:  | They should actually put aircraft in mock dogfights when choosing the design to adopt for the military. It might be dangerous but it'd be a good way to choose the best, as well as all the other tests they do.
I bet McDonald Douglas was happy to hear the F-15 shot down the F-4. "So, we discovered today that our new fighter really is better than the old one."
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10-18-2005, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by plan_D I bet McDonald Douglas was happy to hear the F-15 shot down the F-4. "So, we discovered today that our new fighter really is better than the old one." | 
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10-18-2005, 05:06 PM
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| The database that flyboy listed shows the first IAF kill by an F15 was a Mig21 shotdown on June 27 1979.
I dont recall anyone else using F15's in a combat area at that time, so that must be the very first kill for the F15.
The Saudi kill occured on Jun 5 1984, 4 years after the IAF kill.
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10-18-2005, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 The database that flyboy listed shows the first IAF kill by an F15 was a Mig21 shotdown on June 27 1979.
I dont recall anyone else using F15's in a combat area at that time, so that must be the very first kill for the F15.
The Saudi kill occured on Jun 5 1984, 4 years after the IAF kill. | Interesting - go to the fourm at that site - it's pretty intense!
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10-18-2005, 05:29 PM
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Country: | Sorry, that's correct. In July 1979, F-15s of the Heyl Ha'Avir flew in support of F-4s and Kfirs who were on ground attack. They came into contact with Syrian MiG-21s and claimed several kills with no loss.
Now ...it was in the Arab-Israeli wars - some aircraft's first ever kill was of another aircraft from the same company. This is going to annoy me until I discover it ...or discover it's bull ...
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10-18-2005, 06:06 PM
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| Perhaps it was in the Suez crises that Israel used Anglo/French jets to shootdown Aran Anglo/French jets?
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10-18-2005, 06:30 PM
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Country: | Ummm, how does the F-15 only have one (mine) vote????
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10-18-2005, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by plan_D English Electric Lightning. It was 'the' interceptor of it's day ...and it's day was one long day! | I dont beleive Ive heard of this plane, do you have some pictures?
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10-18-2005, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus Ummm, how does the F-15 only have one (mine) vote???? | Its a great plane but there is better ones out there
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10-18-2005, 06:48 PM
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Country: | Lets not forget the Harrier, it basically won the air war in the Falkland Conflict on its own.
It wasnt the fastest or the safest plane to fly, but its agility is unquestionable, along with firepower a nd ruggedness.
And the fact that this aircraft is so handy because of its Vertical Takeoff/Landing capability 
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10-18-2005, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nonskimmer As much as I'd love to say the CF-105, the fact is that although the flight tests were looking good airframe wise, it never performed with its intended power-plant and the bugs with the fire-control and weapons systems were never worked out, before it was cancelled and scrapped. Obviously, it never even saw service much less combat. I'll always love it anyway though. 
So for now I'm going with the Su-37 or Mig-29. Just because they're wickedly cool.  | But lets not forget the plane was knowhere near being ready for Military service, Avro Canada could have made so many tweaks to the plane before we really knew what she was capable of.
I agree the Mig 29 is Beautiful, and the Su-37 could very well be the best aircraft today, against say an F-22
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10-18-2005, 07:06 PM
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Country: | les, I have voted for the F-15 too.
hussars, I cannot believe you have never heard of the Lightning. It was the interceptor of the RAF throughout the Cold War and was, with some debated, the champion interceptor. A design of 1947, it finally left service of the RAF in 1989.
A picture of three Lightnings, from three different squadrons, is attached. The lower one is a F.6 from 11 Sqdn. - of whom my father served with during the 70s.
The Harrier in terms of air-to-air combat victories, did win the air war over the Falklands on it's own. However, the point AA defence systems of the Royal Navy shot down more Argentine aircraft than the Sea Harrier.
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10-18-2005, 07:21 PM
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| I would say the F106 was the most premier interceptor of the cold war.
I would even say the F4 used in an interceptor role would give the Lighting a run for the money.
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