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12-23-2007, 08:42 AM
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Country:  | Given the wide variety of aircraft listed and the number of accumulated years between all of them, I personally don't understand how the Mirage III has been left out. I've read only one other post supporting it, though I may have missed another. Use of the Mirage IIIs by the Israelis pretty much cleaned the slate against the Arabs and gave it a higher kill ratio than many of the aircraft listed.
Otherwise I guess I would have gone with the F-86 Sabre.
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12-23-2007, 08:46 AM
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#557 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Arsenal VG-33  Given the wide variety of aircraft listed and the number of accumulated years between all of them, I personally don't understand how the Mirage III has been left out. I've read only one other post supporting it, though I may have missed another. Use of the Mirage IIIs by the Israelis pretty much cleaned the slate against the Arabs and gave it a higher kill ratio than many of the aircraft listed.
Otherwise I guess I would have gone with the F-86 Sabre. | The Mirage III was not a great dog fighter and it was through the tactics of the IDF that they were able to exploit the strengths of the aircraft. One of the "classics" but I'd put the F-86 and the F-15 above her.
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12-30-2007, 06:20 AM
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Country:  | I think we should compare only the aircrafts which belong to the same generation. I dont see much sense to compare any planes to F-22 since its the first REAL 5th generation aircraft around and has a clear advantage over all contemporary adversaries. Moreover, we can't compare aircrafts which were assigned to different roles.
Then, imho the time scale is just too wide -
For example ,in the mid 80s , I would go with the Su-27 in a air superiority/intercept mission anyday, but in 79/82 I would take F-15 etc. etc. | |
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12-30-2007, 08:41 AM
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Country: | We were considering here combat operations and the amount of metal left in the respective aircraft's wake - there is no doubt the F-15 holds this record firmly in place.
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12-30-2007, 10:02 AM
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| Has the F-15 shot down more enemy fighters than the F-86 ?
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12-30-2007, 10:16 AM
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| The greatest jet fighter has to be the F15, 30+ years in the front line, no losses and many victories to its credit. It would be almost impossible for any aircraft to match that, even the F22.
Re the Sea Harrier, it was primarily a fighter and secondly a GA aircraft. It was unique, effective and in its FRS2 version very dangerous, but greatest, no, not in a million years. | |
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12-30-2007, 10:34 AM
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#562 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Soren Has the F-15 shot down more enemy fighters than the F-86 ? | No, but theres never been one lost in combat either.
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12-30-2007, 11:34 AM
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Country:  | Where's the F-8 Crusader, F-104 Starfighter, MiG-21??
1: F-8 Crusader
2: F-4 Phantom
3: ?
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12-30-2007, 12:15 PM
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Country: | I altered the poll - got rid of the CF-100, added the MiG-21, F-104 and F-8.
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12-30-2007, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ I altered the poll - got rid of the CF-100, added the MiG-21, F-104 and F-8. | Got rid of the Clunk thats shameful 
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12-30-2007, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot Got rid of the Clunk thats shameful | Sorry Pb - I know she was a good ole bird but she got no votes....
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12-30-2007, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Sorry Pb - I know she was a good ole bird but she got no votes.... | She was a learning experiment ...had an issue with stray voltage that used to salvo the rockets.... made for excitement at some bases
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12-30-2007, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot She was a learning experiment ...had an issue with stray voltage that used to salvo the rockets.... made for excitement at some bases | Thank god that never happened when she was trailing a Soviet bomber!
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12-30-2007, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Lucky13 Where's the F-8 Crusader, F-104 Starfighter, MiG-21??
1: F-8 Crusader
2: F-4 Phantom
3: ? | Gotta say I love the -104, probably more than the F-15. It was truly a fighter pilot's fighter but, unfortunately, I wouldn't call it a great fighter. It was extremely fast in a straight line (it set the world low-level speed record back in '77), but it had next to no range, wasn't very manueverable, and was unable (except in very late and very upgraded versions) to carry medium-range AA missles, which made for a potentially great dogfighter. The bad news is it never had a chance to prove itself in combat (except with the Pakistanis), as it was too late for Korea, and too early for Vietnam (though a few were stationed at Da Nang in '65-'66). It ended up being a great low-level tactical strike bomber for the Bundesluftwaffe in the '70's & '80's.
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12-30-2007, 05:53 PM
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Country: | I got to work on 2 104s very briefly. A bit complicated, its and aircraft that could get you in trouble with real quick. The guy I worked for in Mojave had 2 of them that we were combing into one airframe. Al decided to sell what he had - I don't know who purchased them.
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