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06-03-2008, 10:21 AM
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#646 | | Banned
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Country:  | So does my beloved F-4 still stand a chance? How many haven’t voted yet?
Come on guys there is still a chance
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06-05-2008, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Waynos  Regarding the Lightning, the idea that it was a straight line interceptor that couldn't dogfight is a bit of a misnomer. In Roland Beaumonts book 'Testing Early Jets' there is a flight test report on the Lightning by a USAF test pilot (name escapes me) who (rather excitedly) declares it to be the finest fighter aircraft he has flown, describing a speed and acceleration that took his breath away and easily beat the F-104 and F-106 and being amazed that it also handled like an F-86 (his words) adding that a jet like this shouldn't be able to turn like it does. | It just had 0 range
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06-05-2008, 06:59 PM
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#648 | | aka Dickcheese
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Country:  | Maybe it needed two conformal ventral tanks, like a budding virgin.
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06-05-2008, 07:04 PM
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Country:  | It had perfectly adequate range for its purpose. I heard a story quite some time ago about English Electrics possible improvements on the Lightning which would have increased its range, mostly. Unfortunately the details elude my tiny little mind at the moment. I know, however, that the improved Lightning was to be longer.
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06-05-2008, 07:14 PM
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Country: | It was a point interceptor lacking the range needed if it was to be exported , it would be useless in North America and Australia
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06-05-2008, 07:49 PM
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Country: | I vote her most brutally handsome. The Lightning just looks bad@ss. Besides I like side and chin mounted AA missiles.
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06-10-2008, 05:19 AM
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Country:  | Yes, but as said the Lightning is really short-ranged even for the time when it came into service as a front-line interceptor... | |
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06-10-2008, 06:42 PM
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Country: | Okay, but we are already mixing apples and oranges here. If we are talking about fighter aircraft that were best at performing their design specifications, that is different than a fighter aircraft that is most capable of performing multiple roles. It all boils down to a popularity contest with a smattering of technical support logic in the end. But that's the fun in debating the silliness of the question to begin with. 
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06-11-2008, 12:05 AM
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Country: | But in reality all fighter aircraft are expected to have some capacity to perform multiple roles and I really don't see the lightning having the long distance legs to perform useful combat operations as a fighter. It is more restricted to a radius around its airfield than a lot of other fighter aircraft. In reality, fighters even in the 1950s and 1960s when the Lightning was purchased were expected in a conflict to do more than just fight enemy aircraft... | |
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06-11-2008, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by HealzDevo In reality, fighters even in the 1950s and 1960s when the Lightning was purchased were expected in a conflict to do more than just fight enemy aircraft... | 100% W-R-O-N-G! Look at the spec the Lightning was develped to - it's primary purpose that that of an interceptor.
Where do you come up with this stuff???? 
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06-11-2008, 08:53 PM
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06-11-2008, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ 100% W-R-O-N-G! Look at the spec the Lightning was develped to - it's primary purpose that that of an interceptor.
Where do you come up with this stuff???? | if it was designed with no range which might be a possibilty considering the small area it would be responsible for I'll accept it was a good aircraft but ....
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06-11-2008, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot if it was designed with no range which might be a possibilty considering the small area it would be responsible for I'll accept it was a good aircraft but .... | But nothing - it met it's design intent. It gave the UK a first class interceptor in it's day.
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06-12-2008, 04:12 AM
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Country: | I am not denying it was good for airfield defence and point defence. Yes it is an interceptor aircraft. What I am saying is that it really has no real use once you have destroyed the enemy aircraft. I really think the best fighter aircraft was the F-15 as this is an all-round combat aircraft that can mix it with enemy aircraft, attack ground targets and have good range while doing so. | |
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Originally Posted by HealzDevo I am not denying it was good for airfield defence and point defence. Yes it is an interceptor aircraft. What I am saying is that it really has no real use once you have destroyed the enemy aircraft. | That was the reason it was designed to begin with!!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by HealzDevo I really think the best fighter aircraft was the F-15 as this is an all-round combat aircraft that can mix it with enemy aircraft, attack ground targets and have good range while doing so. | The multi-role philosophy came almost a decade later when by that time technology allowed modern combat aircraft to perform multi roles effectively.
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