The Greatest Fighter Jet of All Time.

[totenkopf]

the arrow was a toilet thats why they scrapped it.

[Matt308]

And coming from a Canuck...

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Matt308

And coming from a Canuck...

Hes not really a Canuck we are much more eloquent or is that elegant

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by totenkopf

the arrow was a toilet thats why they scrapped it.

[Brad Nichols]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Nope - I understand it made it back to base but was written off upon return...

I herad about that, aparently it got back with half a wing missing.

[Kruska]

Hello totenkopf,

I think the “Toilet” was still far more promising that this:

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The Vigilante, the Arrow and the BAC TSR.2 where somhow all kinda alike. And the main contender somehow was always the F-111

Is there any thread around like; most useless or ugliest jet?

Regards
Kruska

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

Hes not really a Canuck we are much more eloquent or is that elegant

I believe the phrase is "Elgantly Eloquent"....eh?



Elvis

[buzzard]

For best fighter, I'll go with the F-15. I know it doesn't have as lengthy a service record as the F-4, but it has enough to demonstrate that its success is no fluke. And the fighter-bomber derivative (F-15E) has been a smashing success also. None of the others even come close. It has been the dominant fighter for over 3 decades.

The inclusion of the MiG-29 seems a bit odd. If memory serves me (riiight...), doesn't it have a combat record of 0-12, or something like that? While I know that it's probably been poorly served by its pilots, one still expects that 'The Greatest Fighter' title should go to one with a successful combat record...

The discussion regarding the AVRO Arrow's possible influence on US combat AC reflects the common apocryphal myths that have surrounded that plane since its cancellation. It is Canada's equivalent to the BAC TSR.2 (not its combat role per se, but as an expression of national technological pride), and like the TSR.2, its marvelous abilities only increases with time. Both AC were overly ambitious, over-specialized, and too expensive to be supported by their respective nations. All moot, really, as neither would have seen action during their expected service life.

I'm sure that some use was probably made of the technical data garnered during the development of the Arrow, and that the US aircraft companies benefited from the experience of the AVRO engineers that joined them after the cancellation, but I don't think any US combat AC is a direct descendent of the Arrow. The F-106 is the nearest equivalent, albeit much less ambitious in scope.

The nearest equivalents to the Arrow are Russian...MiG-25/31, Tu-128, and the Su-15, although none of these combine all the promised capabilities of the Arrow.

JL

[Matt308]

Don't forget that the MiG-29 did shoot down an unarmed Chechan drone.

[Graeme]

Originally Posted by Kruska

I think the “Toilet” was still far more promising that this:
Is there any thread around like; most useless or ugliest jet?

My hat goes off to those brave Leduc drivers...

[Matt308]

What's that he's saying? Oh yeah, "If I suffer a birdstrike, I want a closed casket burial."

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by buzzard

For best fighter, I'll go with the F-15. I know it doesn't have as lengthy a service record as the F-4, but it has enough to demonstrate that its success is no fluke. And the fighter-bomber derivative (F-15E) has been a smashing success also. None of the others even come close. It has been the dominant fighter for over 3 decades.

The inclusion of the MiG-29 seems a bit odd. If memory serves me (riiight...), doesn't it have a combat record of 0-12, or something like that? While I know that it's probably been poorly served by its pilots, one still expects that 'The Greatest Fighter' title should go to one with a successful combat record...

The discussion regarding the AVRO Arrow's possible influence on US combat AC reflects the common apocryphal myths that have surrounded that plane since its cancellation. It is Canada's equivalent to the BAC TSR.2 (not its combat role per se, but as an expression of national technological pride), and like the TSR.2, its marvelous abilities only increases with time. Both AC were overly ambitious, over-specialized, and too expensive to be supported by their respective nations. All moot, really, as neither would have seen action during their expected service life.

I'm sure that some use was probably made of the technical data garnered during the development of the Arrow, and that the US aircraft companies benefited from the experience of the AVRO engineers that joined them after the cancellation, but I don't think any US combat AC is a direct descendent of the Arrow. The F-106 is the nearest equivalent, albeit much less ambitious in scope.

The nearest equivalents to the Arrow are Russian...MiG-25/31, Tu-128, and the Su-15, although none of these combine all the promised capabilities of the Arrow.

JL

Great perspective on the whole Arrow discussion - also remember as the Arrow was being scrapped North American was mocking up the F-108 which "would of" been very similar in performance. At the same time look at the Vigilante which was being developed at the same time - although it was a bomber it seemed like a carbon copy of the arrow's performance.

[Kruska]

Hello FLYBOY,

But before the F-108 they still had to “hide” the previous idea. BTW was the pilot supposed to jettison/eject downwards?

F-107.jpg

Regards
Kruska