The Greatest Fighter Jet of All Time. - Aircraft of World War II

102first_hussars · 10-18-2005, 01:35 PM

I belive the Avro Arrow simply because Im Canadian,
It has no combat record , but it definately would have changed the world we live in today if it wasnt cancelled.

102first_hussars · 10-18-2005, 01:40 PM

The Planes that I posted are the ones that I could think off the top of my head Im sure there are better ones out there so feel free to add more input on other Jets

FLYBOYJ · 10-18-2005, 01:44 PM

I go with F-86 has a proven combat record, even if you discount the Korean war 10 to 1 kill ratio claim, it still walked away with at least a 4 to 1 kill ratio. It served for over 30 years and in combat even shot down Mig-21s.

The F-15 is second with something like a 105 to 0 kill ratio

You should of had the F-4 up there - althought it had it's trouble in Viet Nam (more for political reasons) it still performed well.

Between all 3 aircraft - they are the worlds largest distributor of used Mig parts......

I believe if the Arrow was built, in a manueving dogfight, it would of been lunch.....

syscom3 · 10-18-2005, 01:45 PM

The F4 Phantom was left off the list? Yikes!!!!

102first_hussars · 10-18-2005, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by syscom3

The F4 Phantom was left off the list? Yikes!!!!

yeah thats my fault, chat about it though, this thread isnt depended solely on the Poll

plan_D · 10-18-2005, 01:54 PM

English Electric Lightning. It was 'the' interceptor of it's day ...and it's day was one long day!

FLYBOYJ · 10-18-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by plan_D

English Electric Lightning. It was 'the' interceptor of it's day ...and it's day was one long day!

Sorry D - the Lightning was a great interceptor, but no combat record, and in a dogfight she would of been lunch.....

plan_D · 10-18-2005, 02:18 PM

The idea of the Lightning was not to get into dogfights. In any case, the Lightning was no slouch and could out-pace anything in it's day. It could even out-run a few of the missiles of it's day.

Combat record or not, the Lightning intercepted (while not shooting down) Soviet aircraft on a daily basis. And it proved that it was able to get to the opponent before any other aircraft. All those other aircraft would have never been able as a first-line of defence, they just weren't quick enough.

If we're basing this off combat record alone - then many, many aircraft have to be cast aside because they never had the oppurtunity. That's not basing off the aircraft's design, only it's oppurtunity.

FLYBOYJ · 10-18-2005, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by plan_D

The idea of the Lightning was not to get into dogfights. In any case, the Lightning was no slouch and could out-pace anything in it's day. It could even out-run a few of the missiles of it's day.

Combat record or not, the Lightning intercepted (while not shooting down) Soviet aircraft on a daily basis. And it proved that it was able to get to the opponent before any other aircraft. All those other aircraft would have never been able as a first-line of defence, they just weren't quick enough.

Agree!

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Originally Posted by plan_D

If we're basing this off combat record alone - then many, many aircraft have to be cast aside because they never had the oppurtunity. That's not basing off the aircraft's design, only it's oppurtunity.

True - but the only measurements we have is operational performance (as you showed) and combat. I think the glory goes to "killer."

syscom3 · 10-18-2005, 02:33 PM

The F4 has to be the best jet aircraft since 1946.

It saw combat in the Middle East and Vietnam (and Gulf War 1?).

It was used by dozens of nations

It was both a land based and shipbased fighter

It was used in the following roles: fighter, ground attack, interceptor, recon and "wild weasel".

It was in production for quite some time and thousands were built.

It was a front line aircraft for nearly three decades.

evangilder · 10-18-2005, 02:37 PM

Good point, syscom3. It had a good amount of operational capability and was used for all of them.

FLYBOYJ · 10-18-2005, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by syscom3

The F4 has to be the best jet aircraft since 1946.

It saw combat in the Middle East and Vietnam (and Gulf War 1?).

It was used by dozens of nations

It was both a land based and shipbased fighter

It was used in the following roles: fighter, ground attack, interceptor, recon and "wild weasel".

It was in production for quite some time and thousands were built.

It was a front line aircraft for nearly three decades.

Yep! Gotta agree and yes it was in Gulf War 1 - Wild Weasel

Nonskimmer · 10-18-2005, 02:44 PM

As much as I'd love to say the CF-105, the fact is that although the flight tests were looking good airframe wise, it never performed with its intended power-plant and the bugs with the fire-control and weapons systems were never worked out, before it was cancelled and scrapped. Obviously, it never even saw service much less combat. I'll always love it anyway though.

So for now I'm going with the Su-37 or Mig-29. Just because they're wickedly cool.

the lancaster kicks ass · 10-18-2005, 03:01 PM

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The F-15 is second with something like a 105 to 0 kill ratio

not quite, israil's lost atleast one........

FLYBOYJ · 10-18-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass

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The F-15 is second with something like a 105 to 0 kill ratio

not quite, israil's lost atleast one........

Nope - I understand it made it back to base but was written off upon return...

View Poll Results: Which is the Best?
CF-105 Arrow	4	1.94%
Sabre F-86	20	9.71%
Mig 15	3	1.46%
MiG-21	6	2.91%
Harrier	7	3.40%
EF-2000	4	1.94%
Mirage 2000	3	1.46%
F-14 Tomcat	20	9.71%
F-15 Eagle	44	21.36%
Mig 29 Fulcrum	10	4.85%
SU-37	13	6.31%
F-4 Phantom	26	12.62%
English Electric Lightning	11	5.34%
F-22 Raptor	21	10.19%
F-18 Super Hornet	9	4.37%
F-8 Crusader	1	0.49%
F-104 Starfighter	4	1.94%
Voters: 206. You may not vote on this poll

10-18-2005, 01:35 PM	#1
102first_hussars Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Edmonton,Alberta Posts: 2,259	The Greatest Fighter Jet of All Time. I belive the Avro Arrow simply because Im Canadian, It has no combat record , but it definately would have changed the world we live in today if it wasnt cancelled. __________________ Hello me...meet the real me. And my misfits way of life. A dark black past is my Most valued possession. Hindsight is always 20-20, But looking back its still a bit fuzzy. Speak of mutually assured destruction? Nice story...tell it to readers digest!!!

10-18-2005, 01:40 PM	#2
102first_hussars Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Edmonton,Alberta Posts: 2,259	The Planes that I posted are the ones that I could think off the top of my head Im sure there are better ones out there so feel free to add more input on other Jets __________________ Hello me...meet the real me. And my misfits way of life. A dark black past is my Most valued possession. Hindsight is always 20-20, But looking back its still a bit fuzzy. Speak of mutually assured destruction? Nice story...tell it to readers digest!!!

10-18-2005, 01:44 PM	#3
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,050	I go with F-86 has a proven combat record, even if you discount the Korean war 10 to 1 kill ratio claim, it still walked away with at least a 4 to 1 kill ratio. It served for over 30 years and in combat even shot down Mig-21s. The F-15 is second with something like a 105 to 0 kill ratio You should of had the F-4 up there - althought it had it's trouble in Viet Nam (more for political reasons) it still performed well. Between all 3 aircraft - they are the worlds largest distributor of used Mig parts...... I believe if the Arrow was built, in a manueving dogfight, it would of been lunch..... __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

10-18-2005, 01:45 PM	#4
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,279	The F4 Phantom was left off the list? Yikes!!!! __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

10-18-2005, 01:54 PM	#6
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	English Electric Lightning. It was 'the' interceptor of it's day ...and it's day was one long day! __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

10-18-2005, 02:18 PM	#8
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	The idea of the Lightning was not to get into dogfights. In any case, the Lightning was no slouch and could out-pace anything in it's day. It could even out-run a few of the missiles of it's day. Combat record or not, the Lightning intercepted (while not shooting down) Soviet aircraft on a daily basis. And it proved that it was able to get to the opponent before any other aircraft. All those other aircraft would have never been able as a first-line of defence, they just weren't quick enough. If we're basing this off combat record alone - then many, many aircraft have to be cast aside because they never had the oppurtunity. That's not basing off the aircraft's design, only it's oppurtunity. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

10-18-2005, 02:33 PM	#10
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,279	The F4 has to be the best jet aircraft since 1946. It saw combat in the Middle East and Vietnam (and Gulf War 1?). It was used by dozens of nations It was both a land based and shipbased fighter It was used in the following roles: fighter, ground attack, interceptor, recon and "wild weasel". It was in production for quite some time and thousands were built. It was a front line aircraft for nearly three decades. __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

10-18-2005, 02:37 PM	#11
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,807	Good point, syscom3. It had a good amount of operational capability and was used for all of them. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

10-18-2005, 02:44 PM	#13
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	As much as I'd love to say the CF-105, the fact is that although the flight tests were looking good airframe wise, it never performed with its intended power-plant and the bugs with the fire-control and weapons systems were never worked out, before it was cancelled and scrapped. Obviously, it never even saw service much less combat. I'll always love it anyway though. So for now I'm going with the Su-37 or Mig-29. Just because they're wickedly cool.

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