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04-26-2006, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Gnomey How did they manage to get it to stay on the pole, it would look out of place on a pole in my opinion but still cool. | I guess it takes a big pole! | 
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04-26-2006, 10:05 AM
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B1B: 75,000lbs @ 925mph $178m
Tornado: 18,000lbs @ 1,450mph $35m
I think I'd rather take five Tornados for my first attack
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04-26-2006, 10:38 AM
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| Theyre two different aircraft performing two different missions.
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04-26-2006, 10:50 AM
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Country: | Seems the B1B cost was about $383 million, so I'll take 10 Tornados and stuff the mission - I mean the bad guys only have to be lucky once to shoot down the B1B but it's unlikely they'll get lucky ten times 
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04-27-2006, 12:06 AM
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Country: | You need ten Tornados to actually hit the target, unless you plan on sending Bucaneers with them to pin-point the target just like the RAF did in the Gulf. At least when buying a B-1, you're 90% sure it's going to come out of the factory working.
Why buy a Tornado, or ten, when you can buy F-15s for a cheaper price and they're better...
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04-27-2006, 10:39 AM
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| You also forget the B1B is also a nuke penetrator bomber.
If I was going to attack a heavily defended target, deep in Russian territory in a nuke war, I will take the B1 over the tornado anytime.
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04-27-2006, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 You also forget the B1B is also a nuke penetrator bomber.
If I was going to attack a heavily defended target, deep in Russian territory in a nuke war, I will take the B1 over the tornado anytime. | Agree - it also has double the countermeasures
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Originally Posted by syscom3 You also forget the B1B is also a nuke penetrator bomber.
If I was going to attack a heavily defended target, deep in Russian territory in a nuke war, I will take the B1 over the tornado anytime. | Agree - it also has double the countermeasures
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04-27-2006, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 You also forget the B1B is also a nuke penetrator bomber.
If I was going to attack a heavily defended target, deep in Russian territory in a nuke war, I will take the B1 over the tornado anytime. | Indeed, you certainly would want to use a B-1 in that situation but I do not believe the B-1 has a nuclear mission any more. You really, really would want to take a B-2. | |
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04-27-2006, 11:26 AM
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| B2 first, B1 next
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Country: | And the oft quoted $380M price tag, like that quoted for the B-2, includes ground infrastructure, spares, maintenance, etc. It is used as a means of unfairly comparing fly away costs of a single airplane vs that including recurring costs over the lifetime of the airframe. As once said by a famous American writer, "Lies. Damn lies. And statistics."
And while not the "best", certainly one of my all time favorites the B-58 Hustler.
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Originally Posted by Matt308  And while not the "best", certainly one of my all time favorites the B-58 Hustler. | The B-58 certeinly had that "sex appeal" of supersonic aircraft of the late 50's and early 60's.
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but I do not believe the B-1 has a nuclear mission any more.
| Excuse me while I roll over and die from laughing so bleeding hard.
It is just like sex.
You have to penetrate to dominate.
Thus the mission is still there.
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You don't see daylight shots of this often.
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