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06-04-2008, 02:08 PM
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Just read a report that says that The UK is going to build two new 65000 ton aircraft carriers to be named Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales. Hope they follow though and build them to help share the load with the US. They will be the largest warships ever built by Britain. | 
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06-04-2008, 03:34 PM
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Country: | Hope they have better luck that the other two ships with those names. | |
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06-04-2008, 04:59 PM
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Country: | No kiddin. For comparison, how big are our carriers? What will the new ships be outfitted with?
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06-04-2008, 05:39 PM
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06-04-2008, 06:25 PM
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06-05-2008, 01:57 AM
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Country:  | I would of preferred some other names perhaps Indomitable ,Bulwark or Avenger, all previous carriers.
I also hope the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) proves itself
it seems a much neater device than the old steam catapult.
It's good that they are being built in the UK.
For a nation of our size I think the UK is doing its far share already Renrich perhaps it would be better if a few more nations that have sat on their arses did their share, Instead of standing on the sidelines watching and critisiing the nations involved in overseas duties.
S*** they don't even get involved in aid work while vessels Like USS ESSEX standby off Burma full of relief aid ready for the go ahead soon as those dick heads in power on shore sort their act out. | |
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06-05-2008, 02:58 AM
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Country:  | I thought that England would have realized in the meantime that its colonial empire has vanished. Unless one wants to export his politics to other parts of the world, why should a country such as England need aircraft carriers? To protect the Falkland’s and St. Helena? In order to conduct humanitarian actions?
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06-05-2008, 03:19 AM
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| The UK has had more experience than most with the use of small carriers and their value has been proven time and again. Its worth noting that a number of countries have observed this and are building small/medium sized carriers, including France, India, Spain, China, Russia, Italy, Australia. Some such as Australia are going to use them as assult ships not carriers but the option is there. A number of British carriers have switched between Aircraft Carriers, Assult ships and back again.
They give the armed forces the priceless advantage of flexibility. | |
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06-05-2008, 03:28 AM
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Country: | The British (not English) empire disappeared many years ago Kruska and we certainly have no illusions of that. But in order to meet the obligations that all members of the UN & Nato have, and being a small Island race, having a viable sea power is vital to meet this and for our own protection.
Based on your premise no one should be able to project their military influence beyond their shores.
Sorry guys in the US looks like you're going to have to scrap your fleet and no long range aircraft Hang gliders and Row boats with shotguns only please . | |
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06-05-2008, 04:45 AM
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The US has projected its political views on this planet for the past 65 years, they are a superpower and want to stay one – most favorable – the only one, so aircraft carriers make sense, and don’t forget, wherever they go they will enlighten the world with McD, KFC, Coca and Pepsi cola, and democracy who wants Fish & Chips and a Queen 
BTW, could you enlarge your avatar or make it a signature .... ah ... my mouth is getting watery...
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06-05-2008, 06:03 AM
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| The sad part is you need a Carrier to pass even food out in some parts of the world ... | |
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06-05-2008, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Haztoys  The sad part is you need a Carrier to pass even food out in some parts of the world ... | Yes, crazy planet isn’t it? Imagine how many cargo ships and food one could rent/buy for an aircraft carrier.
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06-05-2008, 07:48 AM
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Country: | The report says that the cost of the ships will be 8B dollars. They will carry F35B Lightning II strike fighters. The UK's other carriers are to be retired as these come on line. When you think about it, with the global economy we live in, keeping the sea lanes open is more important than ever and being able to project power into the littoral regions of the world is enjoyed by only a few nations. Our British cousins have stepped up and helped regularly and I hope they are able to follow through on this endeavor. An interesting point in the report was that no warship of this size has ever been built in Britain and a carrier had not been built in 20 years.
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06-05-2008, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Kruska Hello trackend,
The US has projected its political views on this planet for the past 65 years, they are a superpower and want to stay one – most favorable – the only one, so aircraft carriers make sense, and don’t forget, wherever they go they will enlighten the world with McD, KFC, Coca and Pepsi cola, and democracy who wants Fish & Chips and a Queen
BTW, could you enlarge your avatar or make it a signature .... ah ... my mouth is getting watery...
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Kruska | Harry Ramsdons Fish & chips were very popular with the americans the last time I went to the Epcote center.
apart from that Chicken tikka massala is now officially the national dish of Britain
And I cant enlarge my avatar the last time I did her bra could'nt take the strain.
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06-05-2008, 07:56 AM
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Country: | Absolutely right Renich, sea lanes are huge. Never get any press but disrupt the shipping around the world and you would see major problems abound. | |
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