Iranians test their new fighters

[The Basket]

Not saying that the American air power is not good but saying you hope for the best and plan for the worst.

Saw a pic of a Iranian MiG-29 and it was carrying K-13s...not good.

Wonder what SAMs they got.

[Gnomey]

Read somewhere on here that their air defence is worse than Syria's and Israel penetrated that with little problems so you would think there would be little problem with the Iranians either. It should be fairly easy for the Western Nations with the currently available technology. If there are F-22's in the area they should be used but in theory they won't be needed.

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by ToughOmbre

mkloby, don't think we'll be putting men on the ground anytime soon in another ME country. I could be wrong, but right now we just don't have the manpower. And Iran is three times the size of Iraq. But you're right about the air campaign; it would decimate the Iranians.

TO

There is manpower to invade, engage, and decimate the Iranian military. However, occupation and the aftermath is a whole new ballgame.

The situation would not be ideal - and sustainment of such a situation would not be favorable regarding the movement of assets from elsewhere in the world... but if there was a reason for the Iran to be destroyed - it could be done.

The Marine Corps, for example, is seeking a 2:1 ratio of time at home to time deployed. Some units have this balance - many do not. The deployment cycle, in many cases, is dependent upon occupational field. Of course there are added strains on consumption of materiel and service life of equipment, but this gets more into long term sustainment of forces.

[SoD Stitch]

Originally Posted by comiso90

Who gets to shoot them down first, the Israelis or Americans?

resembles th YF-17 too

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Something can be gleaned from looking at the a/c . . . fairly low thrust, especially with two engines; look at the intakes. Not very big, are they? This suggests a low air mass-flow, hence low thrust. Probably on the order of 12,000 lbs. per engine, if that. Not sure if it has afterburnng cabability; probably does. The LERX's are '80's technology.

Also, the nose cone does not appear to be di-electric (they painted over it); hence, no radar? Probably GCI only. Not very useful.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by SoD Stitch

Something can be gleaned from looking at the a/c . . . fairly low thrust, especially with two engines; look at the intakes. Not very big, are they? This suggests a low air mass-flow, hence low thrust. Probably on the order of 12,000 lbs. per engine, if that. Not sure if it has afterburnng cabability; probably does. The LERX's are '80's technology.

I'd say even less - I bet they just reverse engineered an F-5 as well as its engines. All to say that they have an indigenous fighter.

Originally Posted by SoD Stitch

Also, the nose cone does not appear to be di-electric (they painted over it); hence, no radar? Probably GCI only. Not very useful.

Great observation and very correct!

[evangilder]

Here is video of the "new" fighter.

Iran's New Saegheh Fighter Enters Service Video

[FLYBOYJ]

Reverse engineered F-5 - a little souped up but its that simple...

Nice clip Eric...

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Aggie08

And as much as we mock their first "domestic" aircraft, it is still quite an achievement that very few countries have ever surpassed. Who knows, maybe in 30 years with some friendly Russians or Chinese they may be making world-class fighters.

Very few countries have surpassed?

Lets see:

USA
UK
Germany
France
Sweden
Argentina
Canada
Australia
Japan
China
Russia
Italy
Egypt
India
Iran
Isreal
South Africa
Peoples Republic of China (Taiwan)
Pakistan
Spain
South Korea

That is quite a few countries actually and the jets that Iran is designing now are considered 3rd Generation.

3rd Generation puts them in the same catagory as the:

Dassault Mirage F.1
Dassault Super Étendard
Dassault Mirage III
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF/bis 'Fishbed'
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 'Flogger'
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25 'Foxbat'
McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II
Northrop F-5

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Reverse engineered F-5 - a little souped up but its that simple...

Nice clip Eric...

That is all that plane is. Look at it and you can completely see an F-5.

[evangilder]

There is even an F-5 flying chase in one of the clips of that. Pretty obvious where it came from.

[pbfoot]

I froze that piece with the F5 flying chase and there are differences it appears it is a little bit larger and it definetly has larger engines . One scene baffles me though and it is of the home grown bird taxing but it has intake covers or am I missing something

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

I froze that piece with the F5 flying chase and there are differences it appears it is a little bit larger and it definetly has larger engines . One scene baffles me though and it is of the home grown bird taxing but it has intake covers or am I missing something

As I said in my other post. The aircraft is about 5% bigger than the F-5. It was designed a built by reverse engineering an F-5.

[Glider]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

The jets that Iran is designing now are considered 3rd Generation.

3rd Generation puts them in the same catagory as the:

Dassault Mirage F.1
Dassault Super Étendard
Dassault Mirage III
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF/bis 'Fishbed'
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 'Flogger'
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25 'Foxbat'
McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II
Northrop F-5

Of the above I would still back thee
Mirage F1 and F4 in a shoot out

[Gnomey]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

I froze that piece with the F5 flying chase and there are differences it appears it is a little bit larger and it definetly has larger engines . One scene baffles me though and it is of the home grown bird taxing but it has intake covers or am I missing something

It does certainly look like it has its engine covers on. You can also see from the clip how alike it and the F-5 really are. As Chris said it is clearly a reverse engineered F-5 and most likely has similar capabilities.

[pbfoot]

and in retrospect the Zero was a reversed engineered P35 or so they thought in 1940