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No turret removed, the Leo was just taken as it is. The turret compartment is quite spacious for ... |
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05-08-2008, 01:05 AM
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No turret removed, the Leo was just taken as it is. The turret compartment is quite spacious for the crew, damn cramped with 4 extra infantry guys added (the tank crew then existed only by the driver and commander), so 2 crew + 6 infantry soldiers.
So the Leo was used in the function of an APC not as an AFV.
The Marder 1A3 APC/AFV was never further upgraded due to budget constrains in the years before, and since our loudmouth politicians wanted to “contribute” the Bundeswehr, the Leo was found to be the only save means of transportation in hazardous, landmine invested terrain.
Mostly due to this "APC incident" a “special” budget was allocated to upgrade around 250 Marders 1A3 into Marder 1A5 which then resulted into actually only 100 1A5’s build due to the usual budget cuts.
Everybody is now waiting for the Puma AFV since the Boxer already ran into "unexpected" budget cuts.
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05-08-2008, 02:01 AM
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Country:  | The Puma looks good and very useful... modular armor, high survivability, the autocannnon can also act as AA defense against attack choppers, air transportable. etc. | |
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05-08-2008, 02:57 AM
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let's hope the Bundeswehr gets the necessary $$$$ alocated before 2015, because by then it would be as usefull/useless as a today's Marder 1A3.
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05-08-2008, 04:42 AM
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Country:  | Germans IMO make the best APCs in the world. there is only one problem, they cost a truckload of cash, meaning that peacetime armies have to spend a motza on battlefield transport, which might otherwise be spent on other items.
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05-08-2008, 09:24 AM
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| Great info guys
I could be wrong but..........
I was thinking in this last round of fighting in the medeast last year ..Israel did loose a lot of tanks ...A lot more then they were thinking they would ...??
Am I right or .......? | |
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05-08-2008, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet  No he means they crammed 6 guys into a Leopard because of the protection. In combat it would not be very feasable because as your gusy are scrambling to get out of the turret hatches they will get picked off. |
Exactly.
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05-09-2008, 02:50 AM
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Country: | I think the Israeli Merkava has a limited proper APC capability. From memory i think it is about 4 combat troops, and this tiny little hatchway at the rear of the tank
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05-09-2008, 05:28 PM
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Country:  | Its actually not so tiny. The engine, transmission and driver are in front. Ass end has limited APC capability.
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05-09-2008, 06:54 PM
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| The most interesting thing about the Merkava is the emergency escape hatch, that's very smart.
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05-10-2008, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by parsifal I think the Israeli Merkava has a limited proper APC capability. From memory i think it is about 4 combat troops, and this tiny little hatchway at the rear of the tank | Hello parsifal,
The Merkava MK.1, 2, 3 and 4 do have NBC protection/overpressure systems, with air-condition added since MK.3. for the infantry guys.
The rear hatch for the accompanying infantry also acts as escape/rescue hatch for in taking wounded soldiers.
Another very unique feature is the internal mounted 60mm mortar.
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