The most effective/efficient modern army?

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by Joe2

Well.....I just dont like America

You come off as extremely intelligent, bud. A senior officer told me once, "Never miss an opportunity to shut up rather than say something stupid and make an jacka** of yourself." I'm going to pass that tip on to you, as you seem to be able to benefit from it.

This is a thread on the most effective and efficient army, not on whether or not Joe2 likes America. Also, if you do in fact dislike America, why don't you bring it up in an appropriate thread and discuss your issues rather than simply making a foolish statement and looking like a toolbox.

[Lucky13]

Originally Posted by mkloby

Everything's all good Lucky. Now - you guys just need to USE your military. You know what happens when you don't use something... it falls off...

Or you grow back to a virgin.....

[Lucky13]

There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion.
Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army


Freedom is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.
Ned Dolan


The safest place in Korea was right behind a platoon of Marines. Lord, how they could fight!
MGen. Frank E. Lowe, USA; Korea, 26 January 1952


Marines know how to use their bayonets. Army bayonets may as well be paper-weights.
Navy Times; November 1994


Why in hell can't the Army do it if the Marines can. They are the same kind of men; why can't they be like Marines.
Gen. John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, USA; 12 February 1918


The raising of that flag on Suribachi means a Marine Corps for the next five hundred years.
James Forrestal, Secretary of the Navy; 23 February 1945
(the flag-raising on Iwo Jima had been immortalized in a photograph by Associated Press photographer Joe Rosenthal)


I have just returned from visiting the Marines at the front, and there is not a finer fighting organization in the world!
General of the Armies Douglas MacArthur; Korea, 21 September 1950


We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on?
Gen. John W. Vessey Jr., USA, Chairman of the the Joint Chiefs of Staff
during the assault on Grenada, 1983


The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!
Eleanor Roosevelt, First Lady of the United States, 1945


Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat.
RAdm. "Jay" R. Stark, USN; 10 November 1995


For over 221 years our Corps has done two things for this great Nation. We make Marines, and we win battles.
Gen. Charles C. Krulak, USMC (CMC); 5 May 1997


Come on, you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever?
GySgt. Daniel J. "Dan" Daly, USMC
near Lucy-`le-Bocage as he led the 5th Marines' attack into Belleau Wood, 6 June 1918


Gone to Florida to fight the Indians. Will be back when the war is over.
Colonel Commandant Archibald Henderson, USMC
in a note pinned to his office door, 1836


Don't you forget that you're First Marines! Not all the communists in Hell can overrun you!
Col. Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC
rallying his First Marine Regiment near Chosin Reservoir, Korea, December 1950

You'll never get a Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole! Follow me!
Capt. Henry P. Crowe, USMC; Guadalcanal, 13 January 1943


We are United States Marines, and for two and a quarter centuries we have defined the standards of courage, esprit, and military prowess.
Gen. James L. Jones, USMC (CMC); 10 November 2000


There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion.
Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army


Freedom is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.
Ned Dolan


I love the Corps for those intangible possessions that cannot be issued: pride, honor, integrity, and being able to carry on the traditions for generations of warriors past.
Cpl. Jeff Sornig, USMC; in Navy Times, November 1994


I have only two men out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold.
1stLt. Clifton B. Cates, USMC
in Belleau Wood, 19 July 1918


Courage is endurance for one moment more…
Unknown Marine Second Lieutenant in Vietnam


My only answer as to why the Marines get the toughest jobs is because the average Leatherneck is a much better fighter. He has far more guts, courage, and better officers... These boys out here have a pride in the Marine Corps and will fight to the end no matter what the cost.
2nd Lt. Richard C. Kennard, Peleliu, World War II


A Marine should be sworn to the patient endurance of hardships, like the ancient knights; and it is not the least of these necessary hardships to have to serve with sailors.
Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery



This was the first time that the Marines of the two nations had fought side by side since the defence of the Peking Legations in 1900. Let it be said that the admiration of all ranks of 41 Commando for their brothers in arms was and is unbounded. They fought like tigers and their morale and esprit de corps is second to none.
Lt Col. D.B. Drysdale, Commanding
41 Commando, Chosen Reservoir, on the 1st Marine Division Division


You cannot exaggerate about the Marines. They are convinced to the point of arrogance, that they are the most ferocious fighters on earth- and the amusing thing about it is that they are.
Father Kevin Keaney
1st Marine Division Chaplain
Korean War


By their victory, the 3rd, 4th and 5th Marine Divisions and other units of the Fifth Amphibious Corps have made an accounting to their country which only history will be able to value fully. Among the Americans who served on Iwo Island, uncommon valor was a common virtue.
Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, U.S. Navy


I am convinced that there is no smarter, handier, or more adaptable body of troops in the world.
Prime Minister of Britain, Sir Winston Churchhill


The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle.
Gen. John "Black Jack" Pershing, U.S. Army
Commander of American Forces in World War I


Do not attack the First Marine Division. Leave the yellowlegs alone. Strike the American Army.
Orders given to Communist troops in the Korean War;
shortly afterward, the Marines were ordered
to not wear their khaki leggings.


The American Marines have it [pride], and benefit from it. They are tough, cocky, sure of themselves and their buddies. They can fight and they know it.
General Mark Clark, U.S. Army


Every Marine is, first and foremost, a rifleman. All other conditions are secondary.
Gen. A. M. Gray, USMC
Commandant of the Marine Corps


A Ship without Marines is like a coat without buttons.
Adm. Farragut


If I had one more division like this First Marine Division I could win this war.
General of the Armies Douglas McArthur in Korea,
overheard and reported by Marine Staff Sergeant Bill Houghton, Weapons/2/5


Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking!
FERDINAND FOCH


I want you boys to hurry up and whip these Germans so we can get out to the Pacific to kick the s**t out of the purple-pissing Japanese, before the Godda**ed MARINES get all the credit!
Lt General George Patton, US Army 1945


Teufelhunde! (Devil Dogs)
GERMAN SOLDIERS, WW1 at BELLEAU WOOD


So they've got us surrounded, good! Now we can fire in any direction, those b*****ds won't get away this time!
CHESTY PULLER, USMC


WE STOLE THE EAGLE FROM THE AIR FORCE, THE ANCHOR FROM THE NAVY AND THE ROPE FROM THE ARMY.
ON THE SEVENTH DAY WHILE GOD RESTED, WE OVERRAN HIS PERIMETER, STOLE THE GLOBE AND WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THE WHOLE SHOW EVER SINCE.


WE LIVE LIKE SOLDIERS, TALK LIKE SAILORS, AND SLAP THE HELL OUT OF BOTH OF THEM.


WARRIORS BY DAY, LOVERS BY NIGHT, PROFESSIONALS BY CHOICE, AND MARINES BY THE GRACE OF GOD.

[renrich]

I think this thread is about the most effective, efficient modern military. On balance the US military is far ahead of any other military. As someone said it may not be the most efficient since bigness breeds inefficiency but it's effectiveness overcomes it's flaws. The US Army is well trained and equipped and it's NCOs are very professional. The US Air Force is the same. The hole card for the US is the US Navy and the US Marine Corps. They can project power to almost any spot in the world and no other world power can interfere. They not only can project power but they can supply troops in most places in the world and they can interdict the the enemy supply lines. Of course in a nuclear war the US has a big edge with the Air Force and Navy.

[plan_D]

I'm not sure that quote from Winston Churchill was about the USMC. But the best quote about the USMC is from Full Metal Jacket

"God loves the Marines because they kill everything they see!"

The debate on this thread is almost always going to be, the country you're from has the most efficient military. I don't know all the facts of efficiency, and none of you do, so I'm not going to even bother. But I will say that the U.S has the most powerful military in the world. Israel has been fighting pathetic arab countries all these decades, it proves nothing. Marching is an important part to company disicpline, hence the reason the British military loves it so much, and small numbers does not mean efficiency. And the U.S NCO corps maybe fine, but the British NCOs are just as good if not better trained than U.S counter-parts. And British pilots are still known to be some of the best in the world; I've heard plenty of compliments from U.S pilots toward the RAF and FAA from World War II onwards.

[Lucky13]

Whoever is the most effective or efficient, I don't really care about. All those that serve in any force, fighting the evil wherever and whatever it might be in the world, will always have my undying gratitude and admiration....

[plan_D]

Ace ... and same for me ... since the British and U.S are allies ... f*ck you all...we're the best alliance known in history...and we'll kill you all...

[renrich]

One other factor to consider. The US military is the most experienced in the world. Think who else has been involved in more war fighting and more operational experience since WW2.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Joe2

Well.....I just dont like America

That is fine, you dont have to but atleast have a fricken clue before you make stupid comments.

Oh and since you dont like America then dont use anything American either. Dont eat at McDonnalds, dont wear Levis Jeans, Dont wear Nikes, dont listen to American music, dont watch American TV shows, etc...

[plan_D]

"One other factor to consider. The US military is the most experienced in the world. Think who else has been involved in more war fighting and more operational experience since WW2."

That is a stupid comment, sorry, especially the bold part. The British military is the most experienced in the world, especially the navy - since it's the oldest. And the only extra "war" America has over Britain since World War II is Vietnam. But since Britain was, and is, already well versed in jungle fighting - it makes NO difference whatsoever. And counter-insurgency, Britain holds the gold, followed by Russia (who just use sheer brutality) ...the U.S didn't touch enmasse insurgency until Afghanistan. Vietnam had some, but you still had uniformed soldiers to fight.

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by plan_D

"One other factor to consider. The US military is the most experienced in the world. Think who else has been involved in more war fighting and more operational experience since WW2."

That is a stupid comment, sorry, especially the bold part. The British military is the most experienced in the world, especially the navy - since it's the oldest. And the only extra "war" America has over Britain since World War II is Vietnam. But since Britain was, and is, already well versed in jungle fighting - it makes NO difference whatsoever. And counter-insurgency, Britain holds the gold, followed by Russia (who just use sheer brutality) ...the U.S didn't touch enmasse insurgency until Afghanistan. Vietnam had some, but you still had uniformed soldiers to fight.

And just to add, the Australian Military has fought with the US in pretty much every war since WWII.

[comiso90]

Originally Posted by Joe2

Well.....I just dont like America

Anybody who categorically remarks “I don’t like a country” without any explanation sounds ignorant, spiteful or jealous. There are plenty of reasons to like or dislike but to arrogantly and simply state “ I don’t like America” Is an uneducated and childish comment.

Start a new thread and enumerate your reasons.


PLEASE!

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Its funny though, he states that but I am sure as he was posting that he was was wearing Levi Jeans, playing an american video game, listening to an American band on the stereo and had eaten McDonalds in the past week.

[renrich]

With out getting personal about it, I hardly think that because the Royal Navy is older that it qualifies as the most effective navy. Experience gained in 1916 doesn't help in modern warfare. How many operational aircraft carriers does the RN have and what type of a/c do they operate and how much operational experience have they. I seem to recollect that when the RN sent carriers to the Pacific in WW2 they had difficulty operating with the USN because they had not the means or experience to replenish at sea. In fact, I recently read that on a website about the Fleet Air Arm. During that war the majority of aircraft embarked on RN carriers were of US manufacture. The British sent token forces to Korea but the US bore by far the brunt of the combat both in the air and sea and land. It would seem to me that in Viet Nam, the VC which had been called the Viet Minh during the insurgency against France were a true insurgent force and the US had at least 10 years experience in that. Once again in the first Gulf War and this second one the British participation has been heartily appreciated but certainly has not been close to the US in terms of numbers and type of weapons and men involved. There a large number of officers and NCOs in all of the US military today that have had OJT in war fighting and I don't believe any other country can approach their numbers.