 | MV-22 Osprey| Modern Discuss MV-22 Osprey in the Other Eras forums; But still you know what I mean. You still can find it impressive what Leonardo was able to do in ... |
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12-22-2006, 04:55 AM
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#76 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | But still you know what I mean. You still can find it impressive what Leonardo was able to do in his time. Who knows what he could have done if he were alive today. Invented an anti-gravity device for spacecraft to cancel out gravity perhaps... | 
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12-22-2006, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by armypilot  The Army has given a number of reasons as to why they are not opting for the Osprey as a tactical troop transport. I can give you my perspective as a career army aviator (22 years) as to why I feel the Osprey is not the right airframe for us. First the layout of the tilt-rotor airframe is not really conducive to flying at true Nap of the Earth altitudes (NOE). That environment is where we spend a large percentage of our time. In Iraq we usually operated at anywhere between 25' to 100' during the day and at night under NVG's we were usually between 100' to 200', during our approaches in and out of LZ's during combat air assaults we were lower. Also compared to the Army's primary assault helicopter the UH-60 Blackhawk the Osprey does not have the manueverability that we seek in a tactical aircraft. The Osprey was designed to meet the requirement that the Marine Corps has to move Marines from an amphibious assault ship (LHA) across the ocean at a high rate of speed and to deposit them on shore. We in the Army do not require that speed due to the fact we typically operate fairly close to the LZ/PZ and do not have to traverse great distances to reach our objective. I could go on, but the bottom line is that it just does not fit the needs of the Army. Our mission can best be accomplished with a conventional helicopter. BTW, hope Army JROTC is treating you well. I started out as a JROTC cadet in 1977 and have been in an Army uniform ever since. | They wrapped up a huge exercise involving MV-22A's in New River, involving the development of specific employment tactics. These are obviously going to have to be drawn up from scratch. They do plan on using the Osprey in the traditional air assault role also, which is why it's replacing the CH-46E's. You do have a strong point regarding the mobility of the ship vice a Blackhawk. We'll how the tactics work out when the first squadron deploys, which is still a while away. I seem to think that it may be less capable in the air assault role than a traditional rotary wing, but that it's expanded capabilities throughout the operational spectrum will make it a definite boon to Marine Corps aviation. I'll be able to let you all know more when I get sent to an Osprey squadron...
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12-23-2006, 11:25 AM
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Country: | Now I see why the army doesent want it. Thanks. Quote:
Originally Posted by armypilot BTW, hope Army JROTC is treating you well. I started out as a JROTC cadet in 1977 and have been in an Army uniform ever since. | It is! I love it. Ive been a Cadet Sergeant for some time now and I am the
1st Squad leader, of 1st Platoon, Alpha Company.
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12-28-2006, 03:04 AM
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Country: | Still as I was saying it sounds like the perfect counter-terrorism transport. Speed, flexibility, able to hover... What more could you want for this role? | |
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12-28-2006, 09:23 AM
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#80 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | I dont think that Elite Counter Terrorism forces would want to use it. It is loud and a big target.
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12-28-2006, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet I dont think that Elite Counter Terrorism forces would want to use it. It is loud and a big target. | Very true...
I got to see the final assembly facility in Amarillo Texas a few years ago. We also saw one fly. It's a marvelous machine but very noisy and very complicated. From what I seen of it I don't envy the maintainers who have to work on it!
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12-28-2006, 05:00 PM
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#82 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I am sure you can agree with me as a maintainer I would not not want to work on it.
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12-29-2006, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet I dont think that Elite Counter Terrorism forces would want to use it. It is loud and a big target. | That's true - we don't plan on using it for that, obviously. I do think that it's design capabilities far outweigh it's negative aspects. How successful it performs in service will be seen - I'll let you guys know how much the maintenance bubbas hate the darn thing 
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12-29-2006, 01:25 PM
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Country: | From what I remember there was a huge gearbox in the middle of the wing that interconnected both engines through a driveshaft so the aircraft could still function on one engine. Between the driveshaft and gearbox there seemed to be a lot of moving parts, let alone the tilt mechanism.
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12-29-2006, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ From what I remember there was a huge gearbox in the middle of the wing that interconnected both engines through a driveshaft so the aircraft could still function on one engine. . | Yep
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12-29-2006, 04:08 PM
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Country: | Yup that's in the NATOPS - maybe after the new year I'll be able to try and track down a copy of that natops, but they may not have any of them over here in corpus...
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01-13-2007, 04:57 PM
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| I noticed today that in 2006, 16 aircraft were delivered to the US military including 3 to USAF Special Opps. | |
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01-13-2007, 05:04 PM
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Country: | Marine Corps has 2 squadrons I believe stood up from their old platform(CH-46E) and a third should be up soon.
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01-14-2007, 04:47 PM
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Country:  | Guys.....very interesting stuff on the Osprey...thanks.
Thought you might like to see these pics I took at Fairford (July 2006)
MV-22B 166480/MV-23....VMX-22 (Static)
MV-22B 166391/MV-22....VMX-22 (Flying) | |
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01-14-2007, 04:49 PM
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Here's pix | |
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