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06-13-2008, 08:12 PM
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I'll let you judge the truth of the story...
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Here is a sobering shot of an SUV that got lit up by mistake, by an F16 driver near the air-ground gunnery range outside Dugway, Utah.
The 'light paint and body damage' is the result of a one-quarter-second burst by the fighter's 20mm gun, which fires about 3000 rounds per minute.
An estimated 70 rounds left the gun; the results are as you see here.
What's even more astonishing is - the SUV was being driven at the time. The driver and the guy in the right-hand passenger seat escaped with some light glass injury to the driver, and a dislocated shoulder to the passenger. The shots hit the gas tank, but didn't explode; the gas just leaked out.
The passenger who normally sits in the back seat had just moved to another vehicle.
The vehicle was on the military reservation, but a full three miles away from the gunnery range.
The pilot is probably doubtless be busily writing 'I WILL NOT ENGAGE SOFT CIVILIAN VEHICLES IN NO-FIRE ZONES' 1,000 times, after which he will be PCS'd to Shemeya AFB, Alaska .
The good news is that he only had 508 plus or minus 2 rounds of ball training ammo and not HEI (high explosive incendiary)!
I would imagine this event will have an impact on his career!
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06-13-2008, 09:40 PM
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Country: | holy jesus mary and joseph o.o I'm surprised no one was killed! this is almost like the time an empty Elementary school got strafed by an F-16
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06-14-2008, 03:02 AM
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| I am still trying to work out if the Driver was lucky ur unlucky, that is lucky to survive or unlucky to be painted.
For the F16 jockey its more than a little worrying that such a massive mistake could be made. | |
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06-14-2008, 04:26 AM
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Country:  | Well luckily nothing really bad happened. I wouldn’t know about Russian incidents – probably much more and worse, but the US Forces have quite a bad reputation for these kinds of incidents in Europe or the training areas of Grafenwoehr and Hohenfels in Germany. There is almost not a single exercise where US soldiers are not killed or badly wounded.
Many of these incidents later become exaggerated stories but the incidents as such I feel are too many just because of carelessness or irresponsibility on behalf of some individuals or commanders.
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06-14-2008, 12:54 PM
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| As a pilot why would you pump rounds into a SUV when your on a test range..??...He must of had a flash back thinking he was back in Iraq.?.. There's a peace of this story that not here kids..Strange.....
I lived in the out back of Nevada working in Mining for a time and there's not much out there ...The plane drivers would do test runs in on are trucks when we were out in the woods ...I'm sure they would get the truck on radar do a lock and in they would come at low levels .. The F-111's were bad a$$... Good testing I'm sure ..You world hear them coming and then there gone as soon as you herd them ...Dust and dirt flying.. I guess I'm luck that the pilot did not push the wrong button..Some people hated it ...I loved it ... | |
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Originally Posted by Matt308  I'll let you judge the truth of the story...
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Here is a sobering shot of an SUV that got lit up by mistake, by an F16 driver near the air-ground gunnery range outside Dugway, Utah.
The 'light paint and body damage' is the result of a one-quarter-second burst by the fighter's 20mm gun, which fires about 3000 rounds per minute.
An estimated 70 rounds left the gun; the results are as you see here.
What's even more astonishing is - the SUV was being driven at the time. The driver and the guy in the right-hand passenger seat escaped with some light glass injury to the driver, and a dislocated shoulder to the passenger. The shots hit the gas tank, but didn't explode; the gas just leaked out.
The passenger who normally sits in the back seat had just moved to another vehicle.
The vehicle was on the military reservation, but a full three miles away from the gunnery range.
The pilot is probably doubtless be busily writing 'I WILL NOT ENGAGE SOFT CIVILIAN VEHICLES IN NO-FIRE ZONES' 1,000 times, after which he will be PCS'd to Shemeya AFB, Alaska .
The good news is that he only had 508 plus or minus 2 rounds of ball training ammo and not HEI (high explosive incendiary)!
I would imagine this event will have an impact on his career! | mat308, It wasn't much good for the vehicle either! | |
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Originally Posted by Kruska the US Forces have quite a bad reputation for these kinds of incidents in Europe or the training areas of Grafenwoehr and Hohenfels in Germany. There is almost not a single exercise where US soldiers are not killed or badly wounded.
Many of these incidents later become exaggerated stories but the incidents as such I feel are too many just because of carelessness or irresponsibility on behalf of some individuals or commanders.
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Kruska | It would be naive to think that operations could be conducted on the scale that they are, at high speeds without "mistakes". Some mistakes would be fewer if the military was less restricted in their training.
On the Italian base I was station on, we could not qualify with live rounds, we had to use the Miles laser system! Military force not allowed to have ammo! Some would say that diminishes the potential for injuries, others would say it woefully prepares potential combatants and primes them for even more serious errors when real ammo is called for.
A good friend of mine was killed on a training exercise when his Humvee rolled over. He died not because of carelessness but because of the scale of the operation in muddy conditions on a mountain road. The mathematics of the situation killed him, not complacency. Death and error are part of life when big toys and young, less experienced people are engaged in high risk behavior.
i'd be more suspicious of a military with a clean training record... are they training hard enough????? often enough????
Part of the price..
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Country:  | The vehicle in question was not 'civilian' per se, but was leased by the US Army for JTAC (Joint Tactical Air Control) training usage. The passengers were US Army air controllers...The incident took place at night.
Here's the link for the full account: StandardNET/Standard-Examiner
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Originally Posted by comiso90 The mathematics of the situation killed him, not complacency. Death and error are part of life when big toys and young, less experienced people are engaged in high risk behavior. | Hello comiso90,
It is not so much about accidents that find their cause within the mathematics of the situation but rather about simple neglect and attitude by the participants that I was referring to.
I have been a long time in the Bundeswehr and have seen dozens of occasions that would have been simply impossible in the Bundeswehr.
GI’s slugging around at each other with loaded weapons, aiming at each other, shooting randomly at targets without prior fire order, just too much non disciplinary childish behavior which off course will sooner or later result in mathematical results.
Therefore I am quite happy about the US Forces relying nowadays more on rubber bullets and laser. Such as the training camp Tikrit in Hohenfels. HFT 1.jpg HFT2.jpg
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Originally Posted by Kruska
GI’s slugging around at each other with loaded weapons, aiming at each other, shooting randomly at targets without prior fire order, just too much non disciplinary childish behavior which off course will sooner or later result in mathematical results.
| I am ill equipped to comment. I was in the USAF 15 years ago and my experiences were different. I never observed such behavior.
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