 | Pilot trapped for 5h in cockpit of USAF's new $135m F-22A Raptor after canopy jams| Modern Discuss Pilot trapped for 5h in cockpit of USAF's new $135m F-22A Raptor after canopy jams in the Other Eras forums; It could be a mess if the pilot wants to eject and the canopy does not want to pop off, ... |
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05-13-2006, 12:22 PM
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Country:  | It could be a mess if the pilot wants to eject and the canopy does not want to pop off, though the ejection seat can go through the canopy the pilot can still get hurt during such a move.
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05-13-2006, 01:05 PM
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#17 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | if he has to punch out the canopy is blown off, not opened in the way in would be on the ground, explosive charges are higher up the food chain than locking mechanisms..........
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05-13-2006, 04:50 PM
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Country:  | I actually spoke with an OG member at Langley over this one, the mechanism that failed is a divorced system from the rest of the plane, meaning the plane was FMC, but while parked the canopy wouldn't open. The powers that be discussed ejecting which would blow the canopy, but the cost of replacing the pieces following an ejection would have been significantly more than just a canopy. In addition, the ejection seat is not designed to be used on the ground and there were some safety concerns that couldn't be mitigated. | |
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05-13-2006, 05:06 PM
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Country: | I said if the pilot was in combat or in the air, I know that it is not safe or right in the mind to eject on the ground. A pilot have survived ejecting near the ground and was not badly hurt.
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05-13-2006, 05:07 PM
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Country: | Roger that, Henk, it was mostly for VZ... | |
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05-13-2006, 05:59 PM
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05-14-2006, 01:56 AM
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#22 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | Who made the seat? because most of Martin-Baker's seats for high performance fighters have full Zero-Zero ability?
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05-14-2006, 09:21 AM
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#23 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | Even still, ejecting out of an airplane is risky. Not to mention the damage it would do to the airplane, which would be much more expensive to repair that just a replacement canopy.
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05-14-2006, 01:16 PM
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| A zero-zero ejection has been known to seriously injure the pilot.
Far safer to sit in the cockpit looking like a monkey (and look at the dangling keys) than to do the macho thing and get yourself grounded.
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05-14-2006, 03:41 PM
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Country:  | the russians now make the Cadilac of ejector seats far superior to any western one so I.ve been told eliminating the biggest cause of injury while ejecting while the a/c is in a sideslip it uses acombination of thrusters and drogue chutes
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05-15-2006, 01:19 AM
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#26 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | i'm not saying he should have punched out i realise this wasn't the time or place, but if that canopy was stuck and he was sitting on the runway, with his plane on fire, there would be questions as to why such a high performance jet with a very expensive pilot wasn't fitted with a zero-zero seat, who makes the seat for her?
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05-15-2006, 07:33 PM
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Country: | The F-22 uses the ACES II seat, manufactured by McDonnell Douglas. It is a zero-zero seat. http://www.ejectionsite.com/f22acesii.htm | |
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05-16-2006, 01:53 AM
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#28 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | good lord why don't people just stick to what's best and go for Martin-Baker seats 
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05-17-2006, 12:18 AM
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#29 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Bullockracing The F-22 uses the ACES II seat, manufactured by McDonnell Douglas. | Nope - Boeing!
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05-20-2006, 05:16 PM
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Country: | FBJ, where did you find that? I called my contact at Langley, but it's possible that the link above referred to only the XF-22 and YF-22. | |
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