 | Pilot trapped for 5h in cockpit of USAF's new $135m F-22A Raptor after canopy jams| Modern Discuss Pilot trapped for 5h in cockpit of USAF's new $135m F-22A Raptor after canopy jams in the Other Eras forums; Originally Posted by Bullockracing
FBJ, where did you find that? I called my contact at Langley, but it's possible ... |
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05-20-2006, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullockracing FBJ, where did you find that? I called my contact at Langley, but it's possible that the link above referred to only the XF-22 and YF-22. | Back then McDonnell Douglas still existed. They disappeared in 1997. Anything you see referring to North American, Rockwell or McDonnell Douglas belongs to Boeing....
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05-21-2006, 08:01 PM
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Country: | Roger that FBJ. Are they still using the MCD name or is it all changed to Boeing? | |
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08-07-2006, 04:13 AM
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Country:  | Published reports indicate that screws which had loosened and backed out of their mounting holes were to blame for a stuck canopy on an F-22A Raptor on 10 April 2006, trapping the pilot in the cockpit for five hours.
While the chances of another canopy sticking in the closed position on an F-22 are considered remote, contractors are planning on retrofitting longer screws as a preventive measure sometime in the future.
Fire and rescue crews were forced to extract the stuck pilot by cutting the canopy with a rotary saw after all other remedies had failed. Initial replacement estimates for the canopy were quoted at $182,000, but it now appears that it will only cost approximately $83,000.
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11-28-2006, 11:36 PM
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Country:  | Makes one wonder though... If things are going wrong this early its life are there any other problems with it? It hasn't been said whether this was an aircraft that had been flown or whether it was new. The bolts working themselves loose though sounds like a potential problem... I think there are questions over the building of the aircraft. Raptors are only fairly new so it shouldn't have that many flying hours on the frame should it? | |
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11-29-2006, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by HealzDevo  Makes one wonder though... If things are going wrong this early its life are there any other problems with it? It hasn't been said whether this was an aircraft that had been flown or whether it was new. The bolts working themselves loose though sounds like a potential problem... I think there are questions over the building of the aircraft. Raptors are only fairly new so it shouldn't have that many flying hours on the frame should it? | There was a "TCTO" issued to inspect the entire fleet for this condition - I'm sure this is the last we'll hear from it.
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11-29-2006, 07:57 AM
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Country: | Agreed. This is the reason you have a test and evaluation period, to work out the kinks. It would be very premature to say it's a bad airplane based on one incident like this.
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11-29-2006, 08:14 AM
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Country: | hahaha, i like the look on the pilot's face in the first picture! that sucks that he was stuck in there for so long, has there been any othere incidents like this I heared that they cut into the side of the plane to free a pilot, or it might be a variation of this story.
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12-03-2006, 08:29 PM
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Country: | All I am saying is that with something like this, I would be doing an extremely thorough check to make sure no other bugs have accidently slipped through... This is something that I haven't heard of happening with any other modern aircraft... | |
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12-04-2006, 12:50 PM
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Country: | You kidding? This kinda stuff happens all the time. One of the most visible examples are flight test aircraft that typically fly with the gear down. Why? They test the $hit out of the gear before flight during engineering ground tests? Because the risk ain't worth it. These are complex machines whose high level requirements number in the tens of thousands and whose derived requirements number in the millions. Exhaustive testing of the literally millions of permutations of things that can go wrong is not an option and thus engineering and flight test will opt for development assurance techniques that minimize risk such as structural coverage, requirements trace, module testing, quality assurance methodologies, etc.
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12-04-2006, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by HealzDevo All I am saying is that with something like this, I would be doing an extremely thorough check to make sure no other bugs have accidently slipped through... This is something that I haven't heard of happening with any other modern aircraft... | That's EXACTLY the kind of sh*t that happens in the military ALL THE TIME! To civilians mil-spec means tough and durable, but to the military it means it's broken, works halfway when it does work, no spare parts will be available, spare parts don't work anyway 
You cannot test out ALL possible bugs and kinks in design. You'd never have an operational A/C if you attempted to do that.
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12-04-2006, 04:06 PM
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Country: | I wouldn't doubt it. The F-22 is not invincible, but properly staged is a silver bullet. Once the furball begins the F-22 likely only has marginal advantages over other latest generation fighters. If you see it, you can shoot it. Put it in its element (ie long range detection) and this scenario becomes much different.
But remember, F-18 Super Hornet has AESA radar. And notice he's gone guns. 
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12-04-2006, 04:29 PM
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| I read an article by one of the guys who designed the F16 and a military expert in which one of them said that the F22 had compromised its maneuvrability with its stealthy airframe. One of them claimed that alot of the 60s/70s designs (Mig 29, Su 27, F16 and F15) could outmaneuver it in a dogfight and that beyond visual range engagements suffered from a very low hit probability due to ECM, flares and maneuvering.
One guy said that since the F22 airframe was originally designed in the late 80s, surely theres a risk that fighter radar technology will soon be able to detect the F22 at long ranges
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12-04-2006, 04:44 PM
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Country: | Perhaps. But I rather doubt that soon means in the next 10-15 years. but it is inevitable.
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Originally Posted by Smokey I read an article by one of the guys who designed the F16 and a military expert in which one of them said that the F22 had compromised its maneuvrability with its stealthy airframe. One of them claimed that alot of the 60s/70s designs (Mig 29, Su 27, F16 and F15) could outmaneuver it in a dogfight and that beyond visual range engagements suffered from a very low hit probability due to ECM, flares and maneuvering.
One guy said that since the F22 airframe was originally designed in the late 80s, surely theres a risk that fighter radar technology will soon be able to detect the F22 at long ranges | I wonder how hawkeyes or awacs pick up a 22...
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