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07-26-2008, 06:29 PM
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 Checked the wikipedia, right? Now you' re really the first one who suggests THAT. They're so god***mn similar! They both have 4 turboprop engines and are about the same size (actually I believe the Il-18 is about 10 meters longer). A copy ,for sure , although the maiden flight was some six or seven months earlier. These treacherous Russians copied at the same time the Lockheed Electra, Bristol Britannia and a Vickers Viscount! Shame on them! Now really this discussion looses somehow in its seriousness  | |
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07-26-2008, 06:34 PM
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| aka Dickcheese   Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington State
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| On the last sentence we agree.
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07-26-2008, 06:45 PM
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| Der Crewchief  Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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| I am sorry Ramirezzz, but anyone who thinks the Buran was not a copy of the Space Shuttle is living a dream. There are just to many similiarities.
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07-26-2008, 06:57 PM
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| Ramirezzz, where in Russia do you live? Did you get to see the Russian Knights celebration this year?
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07-26-2008, 09:41 PM
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07-26-2008, 09:50 PM
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07-26-2008, 09:52 PM
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| He thinks all of Russias planes that are very similar....not saying complete copies are supeior to US planes but I am just gonna stop saying anything...lol all I wanted to know was is the Antonov 124 smaller then the Antonov 225 |
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07-26-2008, 09:57 PM
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| No you didn't you asked if the An-224 was smaller than the An-225.  We have long memories here Engineer.
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07-27-2008, 02:22 AM
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| Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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07-27-2008, 03:56 AM
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ok Adler I've provided about 20 or more arguments why it's not a copy. I've provided you with some of the best literature ever available online which contradicts your statement. of some The most serious Soviet space history researchers , both Russian and foreign, do not consider it as a copy as well. I've pointed out that there're enough vehicles out there which are very similar to their counterpart as well - Boeing 2707 as the best example of that. But we couldn't agree even on what should be considered as a copy - a vehicle itself or a concept/idea. I believe though your opinion as well as mine in a certain degree is somehow poisoned by some "ideological" unobjectivity, so the consensus is virtually impossible regardless how many arguments I'll provide. Dann belassn wir's dabei  Quote:
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07-27-2008, 08:50 AM
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07-27-2008, 09:24 AM
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Now on the other side you've a internet site with a compilation of some latest researches done in Russia on that issue, updated , very detailed ond very informative - and you call it a propaganda, probably without translating a word. How's that Adler? Only because it was written by some Russian autors? It's kind of a strange approach.. | |
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07-27-2008, 09:30 AM
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| Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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As for the Soviet articals. I happen to be very skeptical about anything from the Soviets during that time. Sorry but I dont take a lot of their stuff with a grain of salt.
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07-27-2008, 03:19 PM
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| aka Dickcheese Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington State
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| Trust the internet. I like that one.
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07-27-2008, 04:03 PM
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| NASA favoured an air-launched vehicle but the Space Shuttle was favoured because it was big and expensive and secured jobs! The Soviets would have also known that an air-launched vehicle would also be superior but they copied it anyway. Air launched X-15 style if you were wondering. |
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