Show of force!

evangilder · 06-08-2005, 06:44 PM

Or in his case, Humour.

plan_D · 06-08-2005, 06:45 PM

Oh, I thought it was ****in' hilarious...I just didn't know what to say.

On that though...what are the Rangers like? I view them as Marine types with a little more intelligence and cunning, would I be right with that..or are they just another bunch of fire superiority loons?

Maestro · 06-08-2005, 06:53 PM

Someone already explained me the difference between Marines and SEALs, but I have an other stupid question...

What's the difference between Marines and Rangers ?

All those names are confusing... They all do the same job : SEEK AND DESTROY.

lesofprimus · 06-08-2005, 07:05 PM

OK cool......

Rangers..... Ill sum it up for u in 2 paragraphs...

Jump School... Ft. Benning... We just graduated from BUDS... We run 18 miles for fun... Those Ranger pukes cant keep up...

I would rate those guys as above average soldiers with above average intelligence, with a better understanding of firepower usage...

Nonskimmer · 06-08-2005, 07:11 PM

Does the US (Army) infantry hierarchy work like this?: Basic infantry, Airborne, Rangers, Special Forces.

Or is that completely off in left field somewhere?

plan_D · 06-08-2005, 07:12 PM

Talking regulars here, the U.S has Army Infantry, Rangers, Airborne and Marines...right?

Marines we gather are fire superiority, not very smart and as FB will undoubtedly say AGAIN "Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Essential"

Rangers are smarter, fitter and more capable in combat. They know how to use their fire superiority better.

Army infantry, I imagine are lesser in the training department than Marines.

Airborne, well going off my World War 2 knowledge they're in the same league as Rangers.

Nonskimmer · 06-08-2005, 07:19 PM

Rangers I gather are a little more on the specialist side. Demolitions, small unit tactics, things like that. Not quite special forces, but certainly more than your average grunts. Sound right?

plan_D · 06-08-2005, 07:21 PM

I get that idea from Black Hawk Down and the research I did after watching that movie.

lesofprimus · 06-08-2005, 08:15 PM

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Rangers I gather are a little more on the specialist side. Demolitions, small unit tactics, things like that. Not quite special forces, but certainly more than your average grunts. Sound right?

Yes, they have a tighter battle order... U dont send more highly trained soldiers in to do the job that regualrs can do with acceptable losses..

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Basic infantry, Airborne, Rangers, Special Forces.

Yes thats about it.... Kinda simple..... Most if not all Green Berets are Airborne...

Maestro... There are 4 Basic Parts of the American Military Structure....

Army
Navy
Airforce
Marine Corp

The Marines are their own entity, but require the Navy to move them around... A Marine is a Marine.... A grunt... A marine is trained for about 3 months and then is sent into combat. Sometimes even less...There are some Specialist units within the Marine Corps (Recon ect ect)...

Navy SEAL members are basically the most mentally competent combat operatives in the United States.... The drop out rate is over 75% within the first few weeks... I had more training concerning basic covering fire techniques than the normal Marine has had in his entire carreer...

evangilder · 06-08-2005, 09:00 PM

With the Air Force we had combat controllers, combat communications, forward air controllers (ground and air based) and pararescue jumpers. The PJs are the hardcore guys of the AF. They are the ones who fight their way in, if necessary, get the downed pilot and get the hell out of there.

I was temporarily assigned, fairly regularly I might add, to combat comm. But that usually involved operating with combat controllers and FACs. Typically, we had 1-2 combat comms with a FAC and a handful of combat controllers (they liked to fancy themselves as "blue marines", I don't know that I would go that far.)

Of all the services SpecOps guys, the SEALs are the ones that I would consider the most bad-ass. I am not just saying that for Les. I have seen some of these guys in the distance smoke out some bad guys and literally disappear into the landscape. It was amazing to watch. They appeared almost out of nowhere (We knew they were coming, bad guys didn't), took out a group of bad guys (not sure how many), and then went away. It was very quick and almost completely silent.

I can't say any more about it, but can tell you I was impressed, and DAMN glad they were the good guys!

Nonskimmer · 06-08-2005, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by evangilder

...but can tell you I was impressed, and DAMN glad they were the good guys!

I'll bet you were.

lesofprimus · 06-08-2005, 09:21 PM

And I can tell u just how much we liked those FAC's.... If we didnt have our Seawolves with us, the FAC was the guy on the other end of my stick....

Hehe, I bought a case of COLD beer for a FAC in Somolia..... This cat had balls this big around... *makes hand gesture to bowling ball size*

Nuff about that...

Met a PJ from Nam awhile back... Heard him tell a story about a rescue where he emptied his pistol into 3 NVA to grab the shot and beaten pilot...

1 pistol against 3 AK's is OK in my book....

plan_D · 06-08-2005, 09:59 PM

That's all quite complex then when you look into it.

Britain is just Light Infantry (Varying regiments of different skill [this being the most complex point of British military]), Paras, RAF Regiment (Rockapes), Royal Marines, Special Forces (Quite altered at times, my dad in the Gulf was under SF command...'cos he was working on the Chinooks FAR FAR into Iraq, ahead of most of the grunts...black things, sending the likes of les to do their work, ANYWAY)...that's famously SBS and SAS...

I imagine that for rescuing downed pilots SAS or SBS..possibly Paras would go do the job...even Royal Marines 'cos they're our 'regular elite' as it were...

lesofprimus · 06-08-2005, 10:10 PM

pD, u do know about the US Airforce Para Rescue Jumpers dont u??? They go down to the pilot suspended from a wire out the side of a CH-53 Jolly Green... (correct if wrong)

By themselves....... With a 9mm and a spare clip..... And someone called me a hero???

HA!

plan_D · 06-08-2005, 10:17 PM

That's insane! Are those men insane!? They have to be insane...tell me they're insane! I've heard about those but I never knew how they did it. They must get some form of support from close support aircraft or something, surely.

I know in Vietnam they had special teams waiting on carriers for rescuing downed pilots. I've read a story about a Recce Voodoo pilot being shot down over the sea, and these Vietcong were going out to him to get him...and this Seaplane (can't remember what it was) planted itself between him and the VC...and these two A-1 Skyraiders came in and blasted the place to hell while he was pulled into the Seaplane...while F-104s flew high cover.