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With today's technology planes become invisible on radar, from ground and in air, NOW........
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10-22-2007, 04:10 AM
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With today's technology planes become invisible on radar, from ground and in air, NOW........
will pilots become like their WW2 fore runners in really dogfighting again. Imagine 2 countries got stealth planes, no one can "see"(stealth) the other on radar, so it is back to the eyes for visual regonition. maybe beyond visual victories is something of the past? | 
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10-22-2007, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by eddie_brunette  Pardon my English
With today's technology planes become invisible on radar, from ground and in air, NOW........
will pilots become like their WW2 fore runners in really dogfighting again. Imagine 2 countries got stealth planes, no one can "see"(stealth) the other on radar, so it is back to the eyes for visual regonition. maybe beyond visual victories is something of the past? | Perhaps - there are also ways to counter stealth technology - IR imaging for one. It may not be that cut and dry but there may be other "methods" to give a pilot "beyond visual range" capability without the use of radar.
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10-22-2007, 07:41 AM
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10-22-2007, 11:35 AM
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10-22-2007, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by eddie_brunette Pardon my English
With today's technology planes become invisible on radar, from ground and in air, NOW........
will pilots become like their WW2 fore runners in really dogfighting again. Imagine 2 countries got stealth planes, no one can "see"(stealth) the other on radar, so it is back to the eyes for visual regonition. maybe beyond visual victories is something of the past? | Interesting you should say, " . . . back to the eyes for visual recognition".
A few months ago, F-22's participated in their first Red Flag exercise out in Nevada, just north of Las Vegas. Up until now (well, since the late '70's anyway) the F-15 had been "king of the hill", and nearly unbeatable, except by simply overwhelming them with numbers. That all changed when the Raptor showed up. F-15 pilots claimed they could see the Raptor with their ole Mark I Mod 0 eyeball before their powerful APG-63 radar could pick them up. The Ego drivers claimed they were being shot down left and right by the Raptors, and they didn't even know there were any F-22's in the neighborhood. The Raptor pilots said it was like "shooting fish in a barrel".
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Originally Posted by eddie_brunette it will be cool though if you have a multi million dollar machine, and you have to dogfight like its ww1 | Maybe I'm missing your intent - but why the HELL would that be cool? People actually do die. It ain't a damn video game.
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10-22-2007, 08:24 PM
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10-23-2007, 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by mkloby Maybe I'm missing your intent - but why the HELL would that be cool? People actually do die. It ain't a damn video game. |  I think you did miss my intent, but then again your signature suggests people die on their way to heaven to | |
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