Su-47???

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-20-2005, 04:55 PM

Too expensive for them also. Never will happen.

Gnomey · 11-20-2005, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Too expensive for them also. Never will happen.

Agreed Alder.

Eagle_Giuli · 11-23-2005, 08:14 PM

The SU-47 Berkut never was thought as a massive-produced aircraft. It was only produced by Sukhoi in order to show that the Russian technologies were as good as its competitors in Europe and the United States, but the main problem was that the first customer of Sukhoi, the Russian government, was in bankruptcy, and that's why Sukhoi wasn't producing new aircraft by those ages.

There was only one prototype in fly-conditions, and it was destroyed at an accident.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-24-2005, 03:41 AM

I did not know it was destroyed however I am sure if the Russians had had the money the aircraft would have been produced in good numbers. You do not design an aircraft that advanced and not build it.

SUperflanker37 · 11-25-2005, 04:10 PM

same thing happened with the SU-37, they never went into production and their test one crashed in an accident- thus it is also dead.. hopefully though they will take on the designation again as they upgrade the SU-35's with T-V (thrust vectoring) systems

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-25-2005, 04:18 PM

If they have the money to do that.

Eagle_Giuli · 11-25-2005, 10:27 PM

Superflanker, you are right too. The Su-37 crashed in Le Bourget, Paris in 1999.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-26-2005, 06:29 AM

I saw the Mig-29 crash at the 1989 Paris Airshow and I was at the 1999 Paris Airshow but did not see the crash. The Russians there were advertising the aircraft as a Su-30MK though and not a Su-37.

SUperflanker37 · 11-26-2005, 11:34 AM

i thought it was SU-35MK (makes more sense since the SU-37 was a modified SU-35)

SUperflanker37 · 11-26-2005, 11:37 AM

ive got a video here.. not sure if it's it or if it's a different thing
guess the runway was just a little too close

it doesnt look like the 711 though (my avatar) its blue

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-26-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SUperflanker37

i thought it was SU-35MK (makes more sense since the SU-37 was a modified SU-35)

No at the airshow the Russians advertised it as a Su-30MK.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-26-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SUperflanker37

ive got a video here.. not sure if it's it or if it's a different thing
guess the runway was just a little too close

it doesnt look like the 711 though (my avatar) its blue

Not sure either because I did not see the crash as I said above. I just know what the Russians were calling it at the airshow. The only airshow crashes I have seen was the Mig-29 at the Paris Airshow in 1989 and the Italian aerobatics team at Ramstein, Germany.

Eagle_Giuli · 11-28-2005, 05:27 PM

The only prototype of the Su-37 Super Flanker (or Terminator) was the 711. By 1999, that aircraft was re-modified to the standard Su-35 (very similar than the Su-30), and several changes were made, as in avionics or modifications in its TVC. Its painting sketch was modified too, and the yellow/green/brown sketch was redesigned to the standard skyblues from the Russian Air Force.
The aircraft is the same aircraft, the only Su-37 which had existed.

the aircraft, as a Su-37

the Su-35

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-29-2005, 12:22 PM

Well at the Airshow (which I attended) they called it the Su-30MK.

Eagle_Giuli · 11-29-2005, 06:39 PM

Well, it wasn't a Su-30MK. The Su-30MK doesn't have TVC, and the 711 (or Su-37) showed in Le-Bourget in 1999 had them. They could be showing another aircraft, in order to have more customer to that aircraft, that could be made faster than the Su-37.