 | The top 10 combat rifles| Modern Discuss The top 10 combat rifles in the Other Eras forums; Not sources. Conclusions. A 154gr bullet at 2900ft/s vs a 150gr bullet at 2700ft/s does not logically lead ... |
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05-05-2008, 06:20 PM
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Country:  | Not sources. Conclusions. A 154gr bullet at 2900ft/s vs a 150gr bullet at 2700ft/s does not logically lead to inferior powder. That's certainly a stretch.
As an avid reloader and collector of the guns in question, I find this thread... well... fascinating.
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05-05-2008, 06:29 PM
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| Errr, no but research the subject, the Germans were ahead in this chemistry field, producing some special higher pressure ammunition types such as the V-Patr..
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05-05-2008, 06:31 PM
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05-05-2008, 06:42 PM
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| The 7.92mm 154gr vs 150gr 7.62mm comparison was merely a crude form of evidence but it is the one which stands out the most as the difference was completely because of a different higher pressure powder type. But again like I said it wasn't a significant step forward.
I can provide the powder descriptions if necessary, I have original German charts showing the different powder types used, the size of the powder grains/flakes and the weight of the charges and the name.
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05-05-2008, 06:54 PM
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05-05-2008, 07:36 PM
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| Heck I'll do it anyway, might be someone who will find it interesting.
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05-06-2008, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt308  Not sources. Conclusions. A 154gr bullet at 2900ft/s vs a 150gr bullet at 2700ft/s does not logically lead to inferior powder. That's certainly a stretch.
As an avid reloader and collector of the guns in question, I find this thread... well... fascinating. | Ok, maybe I should have said conclusions. Good point Matt308.
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05-06-2008, 08:31 PM
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Country: | Messy, I was not criticizing sources. Rather, I saw nothing that indicated that A 154gr bullet at 2900ft/s vs a 150gr bullet at 2700ft/s is a logical step to inferior powder. Maybe it is. Maybe it is not. Perhaps it was cartridge case wall thickness. Perhaps it was breech max pressure. Perhaps it was safety margins for loading deltas. Perhaps it was a weapon's inherent design limitation (gas operating pressures).
But to suggest that a common bullet weight and different velocity is in and of itself equal to "inferior" powder development is asinine.
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05-07-2008, 01:40 PM
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Country: | You guys are way over my head on all this. I was just trying to make a comment about how threads susch as this one seem to go back and forth between guys, and nothing ever (or very seldom) gets settled to a point where one might say, "You know, you are right, the Enfield, (or Muaser) is the better rifle."
I just enjoy reading and learning about WW2. I am humbled to be on here and to learn so much from everyone.
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It is a rare event for a topic to reach a point of equilibrium. There is a lot of expeience in the forums, but at some point you have to say to yourself"okay, im satisfied, i can reach a conclusion on this"
The whole point of these forums is to learn from each other, The opinions expressed are just that, and all reaasonable posts should be respected. The only time that they should be disregarded is when there is no real knowledge being displayed,, like the other day when some idiot just came on line to say "Heil Hitler"
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Originally Posted by parsifal Messy
It is a rare event for a topic to reach a point of equilibrium. There is a lot of expeience in the forums, but at some point you have to say to yourself"okay, im satisfied, i can reach a conclusion on this"
The whole point of these forums is to learn from each other, The opinions expressed are just that, and all reaasonable posts should be respected. The only time that they should be disregarded is when there is no real knowledge being displayed,, like the other day when some idiot just came on line to say "Heil Hitler" | Very true parsifal! I'll remember that!
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05-08-2008, 09:51 PM
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Country: | Well that theorem holds true unless LesOfPrimus weighs in. Then suddenly everything becomes black and white. There no longer exists shades of grey, blurring logic from emotion. Dogs love cats. The sun may no longer shine during the daytime. Baseball is no longer the American pastime. And big block V-8s are for pussies.
Sometimes boys you have to live with a ruling. You must learn it. Love it. Live it.
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