The top 10 combat rifles - Page 2 - Aircraft of World War II

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-20-2006, 01:23 PM

I did not find that either has significant recoil. I find the M-4 easier to shoot, but this my opinion. I like the AK better though. I have fired both the M-16, M-4 and AK and there was not much of a difference in my opinion. That could be though because I know how to shoot rifles.

Matt308 · 12-20-2006, 01:25 PM

Both have negligible recoil. But the .223 has a quicker impulse. At least that is my subjective opinion. And for some reason, the .223 high pitched sound really hurts my ears.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-20-2006, 01:41 PM

Ear Plugs....

timshatz · 12-20-2006, 06:14 PM

Fired all three (M16, AK and FAL) Like the AK for the simple fact that when you pull the trigger you KNOW it's going to fire (if there is a round in the chamber of course). That was key. Found the AK the least accurate of the three. Just couldn't hit stuff. Again, like Der Adler said, it could be the shooter.

Found the M16A2 to be nice. Refined. One thing I liked is the design sends the force directly back. The raised sights on the M16 are there to eliminate the pivot point rifles had right behind the trigger guard, on the M16 the force goes straight back. Sight picture doesn't change in semi-auto. The AK is the best of the old designs and the M16 is the start of a new design. Now see all new types of rifles (from the 70s on) with that same straight throwback, bullpups included.

Found the FN-FAL to be a neat rifle to shoot. Loud, kicks well, accurate. Fun. A lot like the M1. Big round too. Of the three, I found it the easiest shooter, but not neccessarily the best shooter. Again, could be my shooting ability. But it was fun.

Of the three rifles, I definitely think the AK made the most impression on the world. On the flag of Nambia, simple to use, mass produced. You can break the thing down in no time at all. Designed for people who did not really know what they are doing to use. It's also familar to almost everyone in the world. Probably right up there with Coca-Cola or McDonalds.

P38 Pilot · 12-20-2006, 07:51 PM

Thanks guys. I liked the AK-47 for its ruggness and firepower but wanted to know how it compared to other rifles.

102first_hussars · 12-20-2006, 09:13 PM

I will always beleive the M-16 is the best because of its lightness and its low recoil, its reliability is acceptible now days, if a soldier routinely cleans his rifle like soldiers are supposed to do then the weapon is just fine

Screaming Eagle · 12-20-2006, 10:24 PM

That was one of the problems that the M-16's had in Vietnam

Matt308 · 12-21-2006, 12:37 AM

And the recoil spring makes a hell of a racket rattling on your cheek. Gotta love that weapon. I have a AR-15 16in shorty and an AR-15A2 equivalent with 20in barrel/ACOG 4x sight. Gotta love the latter.

the lancaster kicks ass · 12-21-2006, 06:53 AM

my dad's got an AR-15 in .22 which he uses for compitition shooting... doesn't cut it nearly as much as a 12bore for rabbiting

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-21-2006, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 102first_hussars

I will always beleive the M-16 is the best because of its lightness and its low recoil, its reliability is acceptible now days, if a soldier routinely cleans his rifle like soldiers are supposed to do then the weapon is just fine

Well since the AKs recoil is negligable as well I would take the AK for its ruggedness over the M-16 any day.

glennasher · 07-28-2007, 07:00 PM

The M16 has been in service longer than the M1 Garand by now, so it would have to make the list, though not at the number one spot, for certain. I do find it curious that the HK G3 isn't there, it sold in large numbers to countries using the FAL, as it was less costly and easier to make. I don't see the MP-43 as being worthy of the list, personally.

ToughOmbre · 07-28-2007, 10:27 PM

I'll take the M16A1, M16A2 over the AK any day. They are far more accurate. The AK47 is a fine weapon and reliable but the A1 version of the M16 corrected (with the forward assist mechanism) the jamming problems encountered by the early M16s circa 1965 in Viet Nam. More improvements came with the A2. Not to forget the M1 Garand, Thompson M1 and the M14.

trackend · 07-29-2007, 04:49 AM

Never thought the FN was that brilliant the mech was not very well sealed against dust and fine particals (specially the gas regulator) so required a fair bit of maintenance however It may have improved since the late 60,s.

Aussie1001 · 07-29-2007, 07:19 AM

Not that i have fired any of them happens to be a law in aus that you are not allowed to own an auto of any kind period.
Even Semi-autos have been a lot hader to get since some guy down in Tasmania killed 30 people.
Sign to think that the actions of one wacko screws the who thing up sort of angers me but thats life.
Just pure speculation but wasn't the M16 susseptable to jaming ?
And was the calibure of the M16 .223 if so would'nt the AK have the edge over it for stopping power as it was in 7.62 wasn't it ?

Anyway i thought that the M 1 garand was used in WW2 !!!?
By the way screaming eagle where abouts in Qld do you live i'm near gympie about 200 klicks up from Brisbane

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-29-2007, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glennasher

The M16 has been in service longer than the M1 Garand by now, so it would have to make the list, though not at the number one spot, for certain. I do find it curious that the HK G3 isn't there, it sold in large numbers to countries using the FAL, as it was less costly and easier to make. I don't see the MP-43 as being worthy of the list, personally.

I would take the G36 anyday which replaced the G3.

It is a damn good weapon, I really enjoyed shooting it when we were training with the German Bundeswehr. I prefered it over our M-16s.

12-20-2006, 01:23 PM	#16
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	I did not find that either has significant recoil. I find the M-4 easier to shoot, but this my opinion. I like the AK better though. I have fired both the M-16, M-4 and AK and there was not much of a difference in my opinion. That could be though because I know how to shoot rifles. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

12-20-2006, 01:25 PM	#17
Matt308 aka Dickcheese Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 13,382	Both have negligible recoil. But the .223 has a quicker impulse. At least that is my subjective opinion. And for some reason, the .223 high pitched sound really hurts my ears. __________________ "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the [U.S.] Marines don't have that problem." -- Ronald Reagan Master of Duplicate Posts

12-20-2006, 01:41 PM	#18
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Ear Plugs.... __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

12-20-2006, 07:51 PM	#20
P38 Pilot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Auburn,Alabama; USA Posts: 1,822	Thanks guys. I liked the AK-47 for its ruggness and firepower but wanted to know how it compared to other rifles. __________________ Its better to have an Army of deer being led by a lion, rather an Army of Lions being led by a deer...

12-20-2006, 09:13 PM	#21
102first_hussars Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Edmonton,Alberta Posts: 2,259	I will always beleive the M-16 is the best because of its lightness and its low recoil, its reliability is acceptible now days, if a soldier routinely cleans his rifle like soldiers are supposed to do then the weapon is just fine __________________ Hello me...meet the real me. And my misfits way of life. A dark black past is my Most valued possession. Hindsight is always 20-20, But looking back its still a bit fuzzy. Speak of mutually assured destruction? Nice story...tell it to readers digest!!!

12-20-2006, 06:14 PM	#19
timshatz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Phila, Pa Posts: 3,446	Fired all three (M16, AK and FAL) Like the AK for the simple fact that when you pull the trigger you KNOW it's going to fire (if there is a round in the chamber of course). That was key. Found the AK the least accurate of the three. Just couldn't hit stuff. Again, like Der Adler said, it could be the shooter. Found the M16A2 to be nice. Refined. One thing I liked is the design sends the force directly back. The raised sights on the M16 are there to eliminate the pivot point rifles had right behind the trigger guard, on the M16 the force goes straight back. Sight picture doesn't change in semi-auto. The AK is the best of the old designs and the M16 is the start of a new design. Now see all new types of rifles (from the 70s on) with that same straight throwback, bullpups included. Found the FN-FAL to be a neat rifle to shoot. Loud, kicks well, accurate. Fun. A lot like the M1. Big round too. Of the three, I found it the easiest shooter, but not neccessarily the best shooter. Again, could be my shooting ability. But it was fun. Of the three rifles, I definitely think the AK made the most impression on the world. On the flag of Nambia, simple to use, mass produced. You can break the thing down in no time at all. Designed for people who did not really know what they are doing to use. It's also familar to almost everyone in the world. Probably right up there with Coca-Cola or McDonalds.

12-20-2006, 10:24 PM	#22
Screaming Eagle Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 3,552	That was one of the problems that the M-16's had in Vietnam __________________ "Success is nothing more than taking advantage of an opportunity." - Hitman! - The Technical Guide for the Independent Contractor.

12-21-2006, 12:37 AM	#23
Matt308 aka Dickcheese Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 13,382	And the recoil spring makes a hell of a racket rattling on your cheek. Gotta love that weapon. I have a AR-15 16in shorty and an AR-15A2 equivalent with 20in barrel/ACOG 4x sight. Gotta love the latter. __________________ "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the [U.S.] Marines don't have that problem." -- Ronald Reagan Master of Duplicate Posts

12-21-2006, 06:53 AM	#24
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	my dad's got an AR-15 in .22 which he uses for compitition shooting... doesn't cut it nearly as much as a 12bore for rabbiting __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

07-28-2007, 07:00 PM	#26
glennasher Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 82	The M16 has been in service longer than the M1 Garand by now, so it would have to make the list, though not at the number one spot, for certain. I do find it curious that the HK G3 isn't there, it sold in large numbers to countries using the FAL, as it was less costly and easier to make. I don't see the MP-43 as being worthy of the list, personally.

07-28-2007, 10:27 PM	#27
ToughOmbre Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,230	I'll take the M16A1, M16A2 over the AK any day. They are far more accurate. The AK47 is a fine weapon and reliable but the A1 version of the M16 corrected (with the forward assist mechanism) the jamming problems encountered by the early M16s circa 1965 in Viet Nam. More improvements came with the A2. Not to forget the M1 Garand, Thompson M1 and the M14. __________________ *“Let's get Enterprise* and Hornet turned into the wind."**

07-29-2007, 04:49 AM	#28
trackend Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canvey Island, Essex Posts: 4,029	Never thought the FN was that brilliant the mech was not very well sealed against dust and fine particals (specially the gas regulator) so required a fair bit of maintenance however It may have improved since the late 60,s.

07-29-2007, 07:19 AM	#29
Aussie1001 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Queensland- Australia Posts: 891	Not that i have fired any of them happens to be a law in aus that you are not allowed to own an auto of any kind period. Even Semi-autos have been a lot hader to get since some guy down in Tasmania killed 30 people. Sign to think that the actions of one wacko screws the who thing up sort of angers me but thats life. Just pure speculation but wasn't the M16 susseptable to jaming ? And was the calibure of the M16 .223 if so would'nt the AK have the edge over it for stopping power as it was in 7.62 wasn't it ? Anyway i thought that the M 1 garand was used in WW2 !!!? By the way screaming eagle where abouts in Qld do you live i'm near gympie about 200 klicks up from Brisbane __________________ 98% Of teens surround their minds with rap. If you're part of the 2% that stayed with rock, put this on your signature I am also one of the 2% who does not own a myspace account.... DEFY THE SYSTEM Last edited by Aussie1001; 07-29-2007 at 07:23 AM.

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