The top 10 combat rifles - Page 3 - Aircraft of World War II

ToughOmbre · 07-29-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Aussie1001

Just pure speculation but wasn't the M16 susseptable to jaming ?

See my previous post, A1 version of the M16 corrected the jamming problem.

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Originally Posted by Aussie1001

And was the calibure of the M16 .223 if so would'nt the AK have the edge over it for stopping power as it was in 7.62 wasn't it ?

Not really. The M16 had a higher muzzle velocity than the AK. Also the M16 rounds tumbled in flight giving it all the stopping power it needed.

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Originally Posted by Aussie1001

Anyway i thought that the M 1 garand was used in WW2 !!!?

WW II and Korea.

"The greatest battle implement ever devised."

-- General George S. Patton, Jr.

trackend · 07-29-2007, 07:58 PM

There's been talk for sometime Chris that the 36 will replace the SA80 as standard British infantry weapon I have only handle the 80 and not discharged one but it does'nt feel a very robust rifle and having spoken to a guy who worked in Royal Ordinace during it's development he told me the original test weapons were excellent but after they had to reduce the unit costs it turned into a poor gun although the later upgraded version is supposedly reliable.

rogthedodge · 07-29-2007, 11:09 PM

Absolutely true trackend, it was down to RA being told to produce it for £x a weapon. Stupid when you factor in the cost of the H&K upgrade.

As I understand it it was a political decision not a Forces budget decision that caused all the problems.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-30-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by trackend

There's been talk for sometime Chris that the 36 will replace the SA80 as standard British infantry weapon I have only handle the 80 and not discharged one but it does'nt feel a very robust rifle and having spoken to a guy who worked in Royal Ordinace during it's development he told me the original test weapons were excellent but after they had to reduce the unit costs it turned into a poor gun although the later upgraded version is supposedly reliable.

I have fired the SA80 when we did training up in England and honestly I would take G36 over the SA80 anyday. But then again I also preferred the M-16/M-4 over teh SA80 as well.

SoD Stitch · 07-30-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by glennasher

The M16 has been in service longer than the M1 Garand by now, so it would have to make the list, though not at the number one spot, for certain. I do find it curious that the HK G3 isn't there, it sold in large numbers to countries using the FAL, as it was less costly and easier to make. I don't see the MP-43 as being worthy of the list, personally.

The reason the MP-43/Sturmgewehr 44 is on the list is because it was the world's first true "assault" rifle; sturmgewehr literally translates as "assault rifle", which is where we get the term from. True, it was very heavy compared to a modern assault rifle (it's almost exactly twice as heavy as an M-16A2), but it was the first automatic weapon to fire a rifle-caliber bullet with reasonable accuracy. If Germany had equipped her armed forces with this weapon at the beginning of WWII instead of at the end, I think things would've turned out differently. It was, quite literally, years ahead of it's time.

RevJoel · 07-31-2007, 12:51 PM

I'm going to pick a nit here. I saw the program and I believe that to include assault weapons in the list is comparing apples and oranges. Neither the AK, the Mouse-16, the AUG or the MP 43 can be considered a combat rifle (MBR). First and formost, the 5.56mm and the 7.62 short and the 7.92 Kurtz are intermediate power cartridges and not MBR cartridges such as the 303 Brit, 30-06, 7.92 Mauser round or the 7.62 x 51. Just my humble opinion!

Pax Christi
Rev. Joel+

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-31-2007, 01:46 PM

What are you talking about?

The M-16 and AK are fine combat weapons. I used the M-16 for years when I was in the US Army.

rogthedodge · 07-31-2007, 09:57 PM

I've got the answer:

If you're carrying it? - M-16

If you're cleaning it? - AK47

If you're drilling with it? - Lee-Enfield

Hordes of Ruskies appearing at 300 yards? - FN FAL/'tweaked' SLR (with 30 round Bren box on it)

Screaming Eagle · 08-01-2007, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Aussie1001

By the way screaming eagle where abouts in Qld do you live i'm near gympie about 200 klicks up from Brisbane

Sorry for the lateness of my reply I live in Gladstone, near rocky.

T4.H · 08-01-2007, 03:05 PM

In my army-times, I only used the G3, Uzi and MG3.
G3: nice weapon, on 200 m precise (I always hit the 6 to 10...).
As long you were not in a sandy area...
JAM...

As I know, they realy like the new HK G36 in the German army. One I know, he said it is the best one in the world now. If it is true, I don't know.

renrich · 08-01-2007, 04:37 PM

Good stuff Rog and if you have a regiment of German infantry in the open at a range of 800 yards in 1914, the 3O3 British SMLE and trained like the "Old Contemptibles" were.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-02-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by T4.H

As I know, they realy like the new HK G36 in the German army. One I know, he said it is the best one in the world now. If it is true, I don't know.

He very well could be right. When I was in the US Army we had a partnership with a Bundeswehr unit and we got to go and shoot to qualify for the German Schutzenschnur and we had to shoot the G36 among other weapons and it was an outstanding weapon.

After that fun filled weekend we all decided we would trade our M-16 in for a G36 anyday.

Stupid · 08-05-2007, 09:43 PM

I think the M-1 garand was better then the Enfield but in my opinion. It was used all the way into Viet Nam and was very accurate, I can understand the AK-47 being ahead of the M-16.

And again in my view everything Hekler and Koch makes is the bomb diggity!

Luis Miguel Almeida · 04-10-2008, 08:41 PM

Hi guys!
I`ve only found this thread now, so if you don`t mind i will post my opinion!!

herei s the list:
1. HK G36
2. AK-47
3. HK G3
4. M-16
5. Mauser model 98K Carbine
6. M1 Garand
7. Lee Enfield SMLE
8. 1903 Springfield
9. Sturmgewher 44 (MP43)
10. M14

has for the FN FAL, is a sorry excuse for a rifle!!!
I will tell you why, the Portuguese Air Force Paratroopers used it in The colonial wars in the 60s, and was even worst them the AR-15 they allready used, the barrels bent with the use! not something you are loking in your rifle is it? we had no trouble with the substitute for it! the Portuguese made HK G3
only problem is only uses 20 rounds in Mag! or it would be nr.1 for me!!

smg · 04-11-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt308

1. AK-47
2. Mauser 98
3. FN FAL
4. M1 Garand
5. SMLE
6. Springfield 1903
7. M16
8. MP43
9. SKS
10 Mosin Nagant

i have to agry whit this list bout i think they shoud put the g-36 in there

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07-29-2007, 07:58 PM	#32
trackend Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canvey Island, Essex Posts: 4,029	There's been talk for sometime Chris that the 36 will replace the SA80 as standard British infantry weapon I have only handle the 80 and not discharged one but it does'nt feel a very robust rifle and having spoken to a guy who worked in Royal Ordinace during it's development he told me the original test weapons were excellent but after they had to reduce the unit costs it turned into a poor gun although the later upgraded version is supposedly reliable.

07-29-2007, 11:09 PM	#33
rogthedodge Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 173	Absolutely true trackend, it was down to RA being told to produce it for £x a weapon. Stupid when you factor in the cost of the H&K upgrade. As I understand it it was a political decision not a Forces budget decision that caused all the problems.

07-31-2007, 12:51 PM	#36
RevJoel Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1	I'm going to pick a nit here. I saw the program and I believe that to include assault weapons in the list is comparing apples and oranges. Neither the AK, the Mouse-16, the AUG or the MP 43 can be considered a combat rifle (MBR). First and formost, the 5.56mm and the 7.62 short and the 7.92 Kurtz are intermediate power cartridges and not MBR cartridges such as the 303 Brit, 30-06, 7.92 Mauser round or the 7.62 x 51. Just my humble opinion! Pax Christi Rev. Joel+

07-31-2007, 09:57 PM	#38
rogthedodge Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 173	I've got the answer: If you're carrying it? - M-16 If you're cleaning it? - AK47 If you're drilling with it? - Lee-Enfield Hordes of Ruskies appearing at 300 yards? - FN FAL/'tweaked' SLR (with 30 round Bren box on it)

08-01-2007, 03:05 PM	#40
T4.H Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 125	In my army-times, I only used the G3, Uzi and MG3. G3: nice weapon, on 200 m precise (I always hit the 6 to 10...). As long you were not in a sandy area... JAM... As I know, they realy like the new HK G36 in the German army. One I know, he said it is the best one in the world now. If it is true, I don't know.

08-01-2007, 04:37 PM	#41
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,271	Good stuff Rog and if you have a regiment of German infantry in the open at a range of 800 yards in 1914, the 3O3 British SMLE and trained like the "Old Contemptibles" were.

08-05-2007, 09:43 PM	#43
Stupid Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 30	I think the M-1 garand was better then the Enfield but in my opinion. It was used all the way into Viet Nam and was very accurate, I can understand the AK-47 being ahead of the M-16. And again in my view everything Hekler and Koch makes is the bomb diggity!

04-10-2008, 08:41 PM	#44
Luis Miguel Almeida Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Montijo - Portugal Posts: 104	Hi guys! I`ve only found this thread now, so if you don`t mind i will post my opinion!! herei s the list: 1. HK G36 2. AK-47 3. HK G3 4. M-16 5. Mauser model 98K Carbine 6. M1 Garand 7. Lee Enfield SMLE 8. 1903 Springfield 9. Sturmgewher 44 (MP43) 10. M14 has for the FN FAL, is a sorry excuse for a rifle!!! I will tell you why, the Portuguese Air Force Paratroopers used it in The colonial wars in the 60s, and was even worst them the AR-15 they allready used, the barrels bent with the use! not something you are loking in your rifle is it? we had no trouble with the substitute for it! the Portuguese made HK G3 only problem is only uses 20 rounds in Mag! or it would be nr.1 for me!!