The top 10 combat rifles

[eddie_brunette]

Everybody failed to mention the Galil and it is an icredible weapon. I've been lucky enought to shoot with some of the abovementioned weapons an IMHO only the AK is closed to it.

IMI Galil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[parsifal]

hi eddie

Dont know much about it. Can yoou give a bit more detail. Why do you think it is so good, attributes and the like. i am interested to hear from you

[Ramirezzz]

Originally Posted by eddie_brunette

...an IMHO only the AK is closed to it.

IMI Galil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

no wonder regarding the fact that practically it IS an AK only with much better ergonomics

[renrich]

Yep, the nine is such a great load that the FBI and many other law enforcement agencies quit using it and went to the 10mm, 40 and back to the 45 ACP. As we mentioned before many of the special ops groups in our military will not use the Beretta in 9mm but are using 1911 derivatives in 45 ACP. But, what do they know?

[Soren]

That's because the Beretta is a piece of **** for a pistol Renrich, that's the only reason for that change. An FN Browning is a whole other story!

[Soren]

Parsifal,

I disagree with you, according to all my sources you're wrong about everything in your post really, and I'd like to see the sources you have which mention the weapon designated Mk43 that you're refering to. There was no such weapon.

The German designations for the weapon (StG44) were first MP-43 & then MP-43/1, these were to get the weapons to the front despite Hitler's denial, and it worked when he saw the excellent combat reports of the weapon. Having accepted weapon in light of its excellent performance in the field Hitler himself named it the Sturmgewehr and the designation from then on became StG.44. I have the manual for the weapon as-well if you're still not convinced.

Another site noting difference between the versions:
MP44.nl - German Uniforms and Equipment - Sturmgewehr 44 - History

And some videos (and watch them this time):
YouTube - MP-44
YouTube - TOP 10:Combat Rifles- Stg44(NO.9)
YouTube - MP44 ASSAULT RIFLE

And as for shooting the K98K and Lee Enfield, Parsifal I own both rifles, and with iron sights they're just as accurate if you know how to use the V sights, many people don't which is the problem. I started out shooting with V sights, so I know how to use them. And there's nothing poor quality about the sights on the K98k at all! And that's fact! The iron sights on the K98k are sharply and precisely made, the tip of the front sight being very sharp which makes it great for long range shooting. (My K98k is a 1938 made model btw)

[renrich]

The law enforcement agencies were not using the Beretta. The reason for the change was to get more lethality in the cartridge.

[Soren]

Got proof ?

I've already shown that there's nearly no difference between the two's terminal ballistics..

[Soren]

Oh and Spec Ops in general don't prefer the .45 ACP over the 9mm, some do that's true and others do the opposite, liking the 9mm better. A matter of taste. The effect on the target is the same.

[Soren]

Anyway getting back on track my vote is for the G-36. A dream rifle.

German H&K's new HK416's internals are the same as the G36's, and look at how that beauty performs:
YouTube - Future Weapons: Heckler & Koch's HK416 Assault Rifle

[parsifal]

Originally Posted by Soren

Got proof ?

I've already shown that there's nearly no difference between the two's terminal ballistics..

No you havent. What youve shown is that you dont understand how to calculate hitting power. Dont make claims that you cant substantiate

[parsifal]

Originally Posted by Soren

Parsifal,


And as for shooting the K98K and Lee Enfield, Parsifal I own both rifles, and with iron sights they're just as accurate if you know how to use the V sights, many people don't which is the problem. I started out shooting with V sights, so I know how to use them. And there's nothing poor quality about the sights on the K98k at all! And that's fact! The iron sights on the K98k are sharply and precisely made, the tip of the front sight being very sharp which makes it great for long range shooting. (My K98k is a 1938 made model btw)

Your position has changed. Previously you claimed that the 98 wa more accurate. Then I read in one of your posts that it was accurate out to 1000 metres, now you are saying it is just as accurate. So what is your actual position please

For the record, my position is the the sights on the wartime mausers were poorly set up, with insufficient radii. You have not responded to that, indicating that in fact you dont know what you are talking about. You see, I will rely on actual experience and proper research every time over unsubstantiated dogma. for me, your research is shoddy and questionable, and your experience minimal. Your dogma and blind obstinancy, however, is to be complemented.

[parsifal]

[quote=Soren;345495]Parsifal,

I disagree with you, according to all my sources you're wrong about everything in your post really, and I'd like to see the sources you have which mention the weapon designated Mk43 that you're refering to. There was no such weapon.

The German designations for the weapon (StG44) were first MP-43 & then MP-43/1, these were to get the weapons to the front despite Hitler's denial, and it worked when he saw the excellent combat reports of the weapon. Having accepted weapon in light of its excellent performance in the field Hitler himself named it the Sturmgewehr and the designation from then on became StG.44. I have the manual for the weapon as-well if you're still not convinced.

My sources are

WWII Small Arms, John weeks, Orbis Publishing 1979

History and Weapons of the Of the SAS, Ken Connor Cassell press, 2006

Infantry Training Handbook, The war office 1938

German Army order of battle - Replacement and Procurement, Compiled by Victor Madej, based on the OKW daily wartime reports


Sniper Weapons (dont have the publisher or author details...a friend has borrowed it).

Assault Rifles - WWII to present day (as above)

British & American Infantry Weapons of WWII, Barker AJ Arms & Armour Press, 1969

Military Small Arms of the twentieth Century, Hogg I & Weeks J, Digest press 1972

German Infantry Weapons of WWII, Mclean DB, Normount Armament Co, 1968

Reynolds EGB, the Lee Enfield Rifle, Reynolds, London 1960

The Worlds Assault Rifles and automatic carbines, Musgrave & Nelson, TBN Enterprises 1987

Infantry Weapons, Weeks J, Ballantine Books 1972.

I have not looked at your "sources" because I firstly dont have time, secondly, can straight away see that most of them are not worth looking at (dont believe half the rubbish you get off the net) and thirdly I dont believe you are intersted in finding out the truth , and therefore are likley to presente any old partisan rubbish inorder to try and win your point.

The abovementioned references are mostly from my own collection, but I have others, if you want ot argue the toss further. Beyond that I am twenty kilometres from the Australian war memorial and national archival library, and have a special researchers pass, so if you want to be further demolished, please, go ahead and say you dont believe me

[SoD Stitch]

Originally Posted by Soren

Oh and Spec Ops in general don't prefer the .45 ACP over the 9mm, some do that's true and others do the opposite, liking the 9mm better. A matter of taste. The effect on the target is the same.

This is mostly true; I understand the SEAL teams went with 9mm a long time ago (back in Marcinko's day) and never looked back. Dunno about Army Spec Ops or MAU's, but Delta certainly prefers the ole M1911A1.

[Soren]

Originally Posted by parsifal

No you havent. What youve shown is that you dont understand how to calculate hitting power. Dont make claims that you cant substantiate

Really ?? Enlighten me please!

All I can say is I find it funny you disregard actual test illustrations of both rounds terminal ballistics, oh well...

My sources are

WWII Small Arms, John weeks, Orbis Publishing 1979

History and Weapons of the Of the SAS, Ken Connor Cassell press, 2006

Infantry Training Handbook, The war office 1938

German Army order of battle - Replacement and Procurement, Compiled by Victor Madej, based on the OKW daily wartime reports


Sniper Weapons (dont have the publisher or author details...a friend has borrowed it).

Assault Rifles - WWII to present day (as above)

British & American Infantry Weapons of WWII, Barker AJ Arms & Armour Press, 1969

Military Small Arms of the twentieth Century, Hogg I & Weeks J, Digest press 1972

German Infantry Weapons of WWII, Mclean DB, Normount Armament Co, 1968

Reynolds EGB, the Lee Enfield Rifle, Reynolds, London 1960

The Worlds Assault Rifles and automatic carbines, Musgrave & Nelson, TBN Enterprises 1987

Infantry Weapons, Weeks J, Ballantine Books 1972.

I sense a hint of lying here Parsifal! But to give you a chance show me just a SINGLE reference to the StG44 EVER being designated Mk43.

Your position has changed. Previously you claimed that the 98 wa more accurate. Then I read in one of your posts that it was accurate out to 1000 metres, now you are saying it is just as accurate. So what is your actual position please

My position hasn't changed at all. The K98k is a more accurate rifle, when you put a scope on it that is, otherwise it's the same, unless shooting at very long ranges where the K98k is better with iron sights as-well owing to its superior ballistics. Actually you'll find it very difficult to find any meaningful differences in accuracy between most of the rifles of WW2 if you're shooting them through iron sights.